I disagree. If you are Christian it is Gods mission for you to help expand his kingdom. He has clear expectations when it comes to homosexuality. To vote in favor on homosexuality is actively defying God. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Also, God intended for marriage to be one of the most holy and sacred rituals for us humans to perform. Gay marriage degrades the whole idea of marriage. I want everyone to be happy but I will not deny God to do it. I don't see that as discrimination, I see it as preservation of the Christian faith Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hooker, some would label me discriminating...shoot some say I hate people simply because I disagree...however the mindset that disagreeing equals hate or discrimination is sad. I would no sooner vote in support of gay marriage than I would for the legalization of pedophilia. Both are sins in the eyes of the God I claim. I am not naive though and realize I don't need my government to align with my religion or depend on my government to defend or fight for my religion's specific beliefs. This SCOTUS decision while it deeply saddens me excites me as well...it is about time the Christian church starts being the church from the inside out, and I truly think this decision is going to force this.
Then just don't vote if that is your reasoning. Even though if you voted "yes", it doesn't mean that you "accept" gay marriage or even approve of it. It just means that you believe that gay couples should have all the rights that straight couples have. I think God would understand that.
I agree. Just disagreeing is not discriminating. The willful act of denying someone the same rights and freedoms you have is discriminating. And I am 100% belief in the right to discriminate in the private setting. But I do not believe that the government has the right to discriminate against a demographic within its population. That is the issue here. And as I said before, you could still vote "yes" and still not agree or "accept" gay marriage. You would just be voting for the rights of your fellow human beings. To believe in freedom, you have to sometimes support an action even if you do not agree or "accept" that action as right.
Fair enough. As I don't depend on my government to assist in my religion personally I can see the validity in your statement. I think Christians need to realize first and foremost we believe in holy matrimony, not a legal union. Marriage in the political sense or governmental sense for benefits and such is just a legal union....this decision doesn't re-define what marriage is to Christians, but so many are acting like it does.
I really wish the government would just get out of the marriage business altogether. That would be best case scenario.
The terms Mom and Dad are now deemed politically incorrect, I would say we will be combining Mother's & Father's day and creating one parents day pretty soon.
I think some people are under the impression that we live under the Old Testament Law (Mosaic Law), this is not the case. When Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins we entered into a new covenant (Hebrews 8:1-13), which in turn moved us into the New Testament Law, following the teachings of Jesus Christ. This was all prophesied in the Old Testament (Isaiah 7:14)! Jesus Christ wouldn't have stoned any sinner homosexual, thief, or murderer. As Christians we are to love everyone (Romans 13:9-10), we are also charged to let people know they are sinning and try to convince them to change their ways (Mark 16:15-16). We are also as Christians to be subject to Government (Romans 13:1-7), until they step into the laws put in place by God (i.e. making a Christian marry a gay couple). God gave us freewill, He wants us to live our lives by the example of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:21), but one day we will stand before God and be judged (Hebrews 10:26-27). We are all sinners, it's whether or not we want to continue to live in sin, thus repentance (sincere remorse for what you have done and turning from it) and asking for forgiveness.
Originally Posted by Hooker Look...your personal religious beliefs mean absolutely nothing here. Sorry. They just don't. I'll listen to arguments on how they came to this conclusion because I agree, its a bit hokey how they came up with the ruling, but the result should not be debated as nothing other than a good thing. Spot on!
So jewish beliefs and how they pertain to the gay marriage debate mean nothing because it is not your faith?
http://time.com/3939374/rand-paul-gay-marriage-supreme-court/ Exactly.... However, I would like to point out that prior to the ruling, of course homosexuals had the exact same rights as everyone else...to marry someone of the opposite sex.
Never said that,, the post talked about Christian beliefs, Jews can believe what they want. If they follow the Old Testament to the "T" someone would be stoned by your argument, I don't know what they believe. I'm arguing the Christian belief and what the Bible (New Testament) teaches about the Christian faith. It would be great if a Jew gave their opinion, I would like to see their perspective.
I do think my post had the word Christian in it 3 times and Jesus Christ 4 times, I don't understand the Jewish comment. I remarked on the Christian faith.
I agree with this. The reason I would vote is because "marriage" was given to us by God and therefore, according to my religion, should not include gay marriage. However, I am understanding that not everyone has to follow my religion. I do believe that gay couples should have all the same benefits as straight couples through a civil union. I do not believe the should have the right to be married by the work of government. Maybe that clears up my stance for you hooker. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
When you mentioned that we do not live by the old testament thought I would point out that yes there are many that do. It really has nothing to do with the debate about gay marriage, my bad. Did a little research it would appear that the Jewish religion is like most the conservatives are against the more liberal are pro.
So, can a man now marry his daughter? Or, a mother marry her son? If not, is that discrimination? If so, why? If not, why? It would seem to be unnatural, but if they love each other is it unfair to call that incest and deny them the right to marry?
