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Range estimation from a stand

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  1. MAinfantry82

    MAinfantry82 Weekend Warrior

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    So i bought my new bow back at the beginning of april and have been shooting it non stop, im extremely happy with my setup and
    can pretty much stand from anywhere and get type groups in the
    kill zone on flat ground....i have not however shot from a stand yet and
    before i do was wondering how much deviation there will be in my shots
    as opposed to shooting on flat ground.... i.e. if im in a stand 15 feet high
    and i see a 30 yard shot will i want to aim as if it were a 15 yd shot
    on flat ground??
     
  2. MAinfantry82

    MAinfantry82 Weekend Warrior

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    Just kinda wondering what to expect runnin short on money and it wont be til about september before i purchase a stand
     
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    If you shoot with proper technique the difference at 30 yards being 15' high is negligible. The key from shooting from elevated heights is to bend at the waist as opposed to bending your bow arm. It is critical you keep your mechanics the same as you shoot from ground level. You upper body should move as one with with the bow.

    See this attached diagram I made. Using the old trusty Pythagorean Theorem, the true distance of the hypotenuse is only 30.41 yards as opposed to 30 yards. As the distance and angle increases this can be more of a factor. However, most of us don't run into this unless you are shooting ground elevation changes including steep angles.
     

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    a little confusing but i guess what ur saying is its not that much of a difference unless say im shooting at something thats a real steep angle?
     
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    to answer a question of mine and perhaps help you i'll ask this. if from the ground at the bottom of your tree to the target is 30 yds would you still consider it 30yds if your 15' up the tree?
    judging by the diagram the answer is yes.
     
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    Essentially yes.

    Here is another diagram.

    Hunter and tree stand is black.
    Deer is brown
    Ground is green
    Arrow being shot is red.


    This is assuming a 15' tree stand with a 20' drop in the ground between you and the deer for a total change in elevation of 35' over 30 yards (90')

    Even now you still are only talking about an extra 2 yards of distance.
     

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    You should consider it 30.41 yards. ;)
     
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    alright now i see i really appreciate the help
     
  9. bigbuckdown

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    bubba if i was you i would get a stand or in one b4 then and set up a bag or block target with a safe back stop and shoot til you see how your bow performs in those situations and put it at the farthest yardage at which youre willing to make a shot at an animal if you have a 3d range local it would be better more realistic to what you are going to be looking at when you hunt how many pins are on your sight? b/c its kind of hard how high to hold your bow if you dont have a pin for the yardage i shoot a 3-pin trophy ridge sight at 40+ yrds i have to hold my 3rd pin high to hit where i'm aimming! if you can find you a used rangefinder for cheap i'd jump on it cause they come in real handy and take the guesstimating out of the equation!
     
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    been doing alot of shooting and am shootin real
    well with nice tight groups
    i originally had a 4 pic setup and switched to a 3 pin
    i zeroed my pins at 15-25 and a 40 yard pin
    i have a target in my yard already and have even gone
    to some local ranges im real eager to see how my broadheads fly
    once i do get a stand....couldnt see myself using a range finder im
    real comfortable with range estimation, planning on setting up small
    range markers in my area once i do have a stand
     
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    GYF camp explained it pretty much. Not much difference if you use good form. You might find your toughest shots are straight down. I recomend getting a range finder and mentally making a circle around your stand at around 25 yards by ranging identifiable objects. You can pretty much decide if target is 5 + or 5 - yards around that perimetor.
     
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    well i hope you have all the success you go after and that it all pans out for you. keep us posted and good luck!
     
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    I agree. You should actually shoot and practice from some type of elevated stand before you hunt. If you don't have a tree stand yet how about climbing on a shallow pitch roof ledge like a shed or ranch home? If nothing else to get your confidence level up that you can hit the spot when it matters. Good luck.
     
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    Thanx guys appreciate the advice
     
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    michaelp Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I shoot from a tree in my yard...I hold dead on for the yardage I think the deer is at. I do not like holding high or low etc...I have 20 through 60 yard pins, although 35-40 is the max I will shoot at a deer. I have no issue holding dead on at 40 yards, 20' up and hitting where I aim.
     
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    Right on the money
     

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