For me to sell my 08 Allegiance after the season and buy a brand new Black Ice? Im loving this bow the more I research it and today I was holding one at BPS and it just felt awesome...I know it would be a bit slower than my Ally, but it just feels soo right.....Im only shooting 280 fps now and that's fast enough for me, but I do like shooting out to 28 yds with one pin...I don't know if I could do that with the BI...
Right now I can shoot out to 28 yds without makingany adjustments at all, past this point I have to hold higher the farhter back I get, most of my shots in the woods are 25 yds or less, so I like to have just one pin ....if I get a shot opp at say 30 yds, I just simply hold a tad bit higher..
Insane is the obsession with shooting "one pin" :D. Especially when it prevents you from shooting a bow you would feel more comfortable with .
Where do you hold at 6 yards? Any bow can shoot 1 pin by holding high or low. I'm shooting over 285 with my alphmax and 440-something grain arrows. I have pins for 18 28 34 43 and 50. I reckon it just depends on your interpretation of "good enough".
What Im saying is....From about 8-10 yds the arrow hits the same as it does at 28 yds.. there is a small difference at closer yardage say at t like 6 yds, but it's not too much...Im not saying that it's shooting flat...Im just saying at 18 yds I hold dead on and at 27 yds I hold dead on and at 12 yds i hold dead on all with the one pin....now, when I get out to 29 yds/32 yds/ 40 yds. I hold it higher... all Im saying is I don't want to have to hold high with one pin at 25 yds....is that hard to understand? it's just my preference..
I really don't know Jeff, all I can tell you is when I put my pin on the target of the deer at 15 yds and shoot it hits where Im aiming, then when i back up to say...23 yds I do the same thing, I just put it on the vitals and bam, it hits the vitals..if Im shooting at 35 yds, i hold it a few inches high oin the vitals, out at 40 yds, i hold it on top of the deer's back...I don't know what ya call it, I just know that I hold the pin on the deer's vitals from 10-28 yds and I don't change how I hold it....I just put it right on the vitals...
I agree with Jeff, Vab, no bow shoots exactly the same spot at 18 and 28 yards. I have an 82nd that's shooting 327 fps and I have a pin gap from 20 to 30 yards. It's not much but necessary. My 20 yard pin DOES NOT hit dead on at 28 yards. I would hit slightly low at 28 yards using my 20 yard pin. If I sighted a single pin at 25 yards, and used that at 18 yards I would likely hit an 1" high. That might be good enough but not pin point accurate, particularly in 3D. At 10 yards, it would be more than an 1" high. Your Allegiance is not shooting as flat as my 82nd.
Im certainly not going to argue about pin point accuracy...Im not saying that I understand it and I know Im not shooting as flat as your 82 nd Rob. but like the other day I shot at 24 yds 12 times and had my arrows touching every time, I then moved in at 16 yds and shot with the same pin and hit exactly where I was aiming in the vitals...arrows were touching again... no change in how I was holding the pin on the target...now I may be adjusting, but I don't knowingly do it...
Sorry to continue the highjack, but I would guess I'm shooting one of the slowest bows of anyone on here. I've shot one pin for years with it, and it works. No one has 5 crosshairs on thier rifle scope, you practice and learn how it shoots at various yardages....same concept as shooting one pin IMO. We aint exactly hunting fieldmice here.
VA, I'm guessing you've never shot spots (Paper Targets in competition) or 3D. In these cases it makes "vitals" look like a phone book, in competition your trying to hit a quarter on the cover. Simply hitting the cover isn't good enough. Stick an object to you target and aim for a very percise point..a Daisy, a golf ball, a dime. See if your still satisfied with ball park. I'm not berating you, but you are talking to guys who shoot competitively where an extra coat of paint on a shaft is the difference betwen 1st place and an also ran.. Thats why we shoot fatter shafts
The best advice I can give is to put some of those little orange dots (quarter size) on the vitals of your target and shoot at them, as opposed to the whole vitals. That will help you to better understand what these guys are saying. I know because this is what my buddy had to do to me (he is very good) to get it to click. Please understand I am only offering advice because I saw where you said you were lost...so was I, and the dots helped a great deal.
ok, well the other day when I was sighting in my bow after adding the QAD, I shot the block I have with the 2 diamonds on one side...one up top one on the bottom...I got the arrow to hit the diamond at 10 yds first then i backed up to 24 yds and shot the diamond again with the same pin...now this diamond is like an 1 or 1.5" and I hit that with the same pin at 10 as i did at 20 and never did anything differently..granted I see that it can be a difference in a 3D shoot , i have shot them recently with this set up and did ok, but I shoot these 3d tourneys with one pin highest I have scored was a 276 out of 300, not bad for only my third one but not pin point accurate either...what im saying is, if I can get the Black Ice to shoot around 275 or so, I will likely buy one..I understand that Jeff and Rob are great shooters and know more about the physics of this stuff than I do, but Im talking for hunting purposes, I have never had an issue in all the yrs hunting with one pin...I used to achieve this by using an overdraw and light arrows, now these bows are fast enough I guess...
Landon, to comment on your original question/point, IMO you will find it difficult to do what you want to do with the BI vs your Ally when shooting the same arrow at the same poundage. That said, the BI is a fabulous bow, smooth and forgiving. Rough guess is that if you are shooting your Ally at 280, then you will be around 260ish, while plenty speed to kill deer, it drops that 28 yard shoot more. Also, I know KE was something you were wondering about and you will be loosing more of that in the switch. The Black Ice is awesome, for what it is, but it isn't a bow that is suited towards what you want to do with the single pin IMO.
ALL i know is ,if thats getting it done, then stick with it, thats all that matters Landon,,Sounds like the B ICE fits you well, you may be trading in your Alley :D
I must also add that I believe confidence breeds accuracy IMO, and if you are confident right now...I would not change. Get the black ice and some 1.5 rages and kill deer.
I may not get rid of the Ally, it's kind of like an old shoe.....but I still may get a BI after the season and work with it...
