With the SCOTUS shoot down obamacare?

I hope so. At least the mandate to buy insurance. That is too far reaching for government to tell its citizens that have to purchase something (especially since some religions will protest and be exempted so there wont be equal protections)

Also I want to see portions of it shot down just to give the golfer-in-chief another loss going into the election.

If portions of it are struck down today, you can bet Obummer will take to the air waves to protest.

 

Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.

Thomas Jefferson

 

6-3 I just do not know which way.

I thought the 80/20 rule was a reach.

 

I hope they repeal it. When I am eligible for medicare in another 25 years or so, I'd like to be able to find a doctor who accepts my insurance.

 

I hope they repeal it also. In my opinion, it is completely unconstitutional, and completely goes away from the free market system. I am 100% opposed to the president and or congress forcing regulations upon us, when the majority of Americans do not want this.

 

The questions is what happens if it is repealed? What do we do next? How do get the free loaders on our current system to take responibilty for THEIR healthcare?

It's a free market right now for some, they do not pay diddle, people with insurance pay the bill. How do we stop all these test Doctors give that are not needed. We need to do something about all these law suits also, tort reform, loser pays?

I love the fact some beat their chest on how AHCA sucks, but what is your solution? I am all ears GOP

 

CNN is reporting that it was entirely upheld, under the taxing power of Congress.

The justices split 5 to 4, according to CNN, which is not surprising. It was a close call.

Chief Justice John Roberts is writing the opinion for the majority, so he must be in agreement with upholding it. Which is unusual since he is one of the more "conservative" (strict construction-ist) justices. He joined with all 4 of the "liberal" (judicial activists) justices. Kennedy who is the usual swing vote voted against the act.

The subtle irony is that Senator Obama voted against the confirmation of John Roberts for the USSC, however Roberts is the one who has saved Obama's political life right now, with this ruling.

So the USSC called it a tax, although Congress and the White House did not want to call it a tax. Anyone who does not have med insurance pays the tax. Since the IRS will be enforcing it, therefore it looks like a tax, it walks like a tax, and it quacks like a tax. The tax is 2.5% of income, presumably AGI (income minus adjustments to income).

There would have been a lot less grief if Congress had simply framed the nonparticipation penalty as a tax on everyone, then giving a credit for actual medical insurance paid up to the tax.

Romney now again looks like a fool because he predicted that it would be repealed. He is not good at predicting things, so far.

But Romney's earlier prediction, when he was governor, that Romney-care would be a good model for national health care, turned out to be a previously accurate prediction. However once again to appease the tea party end of the RNC, Romney has had to flip flop again.

Tomorrow Romney will probably say that if elected he will promise to introduce legislation to repleal it. But without the Senate he cannot accomplish that, so yet another hollow promise to try to get himself elected. Why does Romney sound like Nixon so much? More and more every day.

 

I thought they would go this way. I look forward to reading the opinion once it's up.

 

The mandate in which the government would force you to buy insurance will apply to everybody except Muslims and amish who wont have to comply as it would infringe on their religion.

http://libertyandpride.com/muslims-exempt-from-obamacare/

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

 

This is from the SCOTUS blog:

Amy Howe:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/

 

Exactly right, the USA needs something to address national health costs. Most of the rest of the nations of the world have already gone with nationalized health care of some sort. Romney-care/Obama-care are better than nothing.

Oh yah then again Romney is denying he ever had anything to do with Romney-care.

 

Hopefully then they wont get to use hospital emergency rooms either then. Let Allah heal them.

 

Its a very complex problem to solve, no doubt about it. We can't, however, take away the free market system and expect technology to continue to advance, procedures to get better, doctors to continue to educate themselves. Profits drive innovation, we cannot expect companies to continue to pour money and resources into R&D, if there isn't enough profits in it.

We need to focus on fixing society as priority #1, that means getting people off entitlements, and contributing to society. I'm a hard ***, but I say we need to eliminate the current form of welfare, and institute a work/education program. Once you have completed your work/education program, you are out on your own. I would also have much stricter border security, and send every illegal we can catch packing back to where they came from, and educate them on the proper procedure for entering and applying for citizenship in our country. I would also allow hospitals to refuse services(except for life threatening) to those that cannot prove their citizenship or provide documentation allowing them to be in our country.

I'm tired of blaming the medical system for societies issues. Many of the same people I know that don't have health care, are the same people that can afford beer, cigarettes, cell phones and other luxury items. They get their EBT cards, and take advantage of the local food pantries. They know how to work the system in every way, knowing good and well that they are getting one over on society. I'm personally sick of it, and would put an end to it. But, like I said, I'm a hard ***.

 

And our country continues to turn the opposite way in which it was founded.

 

When America was founded the AMA was not yet formed and the AMA did not yet have a monopoly on health care.

Things change.

 

No crap those things did not exist Shoobee. I am talking about the PHILOSOPHICAL foundations of our country.

 

When you have the AMA with a monopoly on health care, you cannot have a free market system for health care.

 

I know, but our Nation is now so large that nonregulated businesses can become so powerful that they can easily abuse the free market system. Look at Wall Street, look at mining companies, look at banks and formerly S&Ls, and also realize the AMA is the big boogieman in jacking up health care costs.

 

Maybe I am in the minority but I don't think health care costs are so bad. I pay my fair share and then for example I am able to go down to the dentist and have work done for like $25, and get prescription medication when needed for the same. Life ain't too bad as compared to many other countries in the world. I work hard, pay my fair share, and utilize my health insurance to keep the costs affordable.

I have solution for a lot of things in life.....except my opinion usually represents maybe 1% of the American population.

 

Yes, you and I are lucky, that we were accepted by the insurance companies.

A lot of people are not so lucky, because the insurance companies tend to treat medical care like insurance, no big surprise there, and they will cancel your policy if you get really sick. The same as if you get into a lot of car accidents, as if car accidents is the same as healthcare, which it is not.

With a national mandate backed up with a national subsidy, this at least provides coverage at a cost of 2.5% of AGI for everyone who needs medical coverage. It's not that bad. It's just another tax on those who do not participate or who cannot get coverage.

It's really too bad the RNC has chosen to make this a hot button issue, as usual, like their other hot button issues, like abortion, gay marriage, etc. But that's politics. The RNC will do whatever it can to try to get elected.

Hatch and Bachman feel betrayed for having installed Roberts on the USSC now.

It must have been hard for Roberts to follow his conscience on this one.

Or maybe Roberts feels that when he last upheld the GW Bush election as President, now he is all paid up and even with the RNC?

The tax that eventually kicks in for anyone under 65 without health insurance becomes 2.5% of AGI.

Health care as a minimum runs about $300 per month, or $3600 per year, for basic coverage.

So anyone with AGI over $144K will want to buy their own, otherwise they will pay more in taxes.

Anyone making less than this will instead pay the tax and remain uninsured.

So the tax is actually on the poor, which is the kind of policy that the RNC usually agrees with. Therefore I am surprised that the RNC is against it while the DNC created it. I guess the RNC is just paying homage to the AMA as usual. The AMA is a big donor to the RNC.