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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Skywalker, Sep 21, 2015.

  1. Heckler

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    They are farming wind. :evilgrin: Would there be any difference if your neighbor next door started a feed lot? I bet your property would become less then a desirable place to live.
     
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    Not to mention, the one to the north of us has been fighting to lower the taxable amount for the last several years. That school I mentioned above hasn't received a dime of tax dollars to this point because the wind farm has held it all up in court. It's cheaper to fight in court than it is to pay the taxes. They have all sorts of games, starting with their snake oil salesmen all the way up to their corporate lawyers. Let me say, I'm not against business, and I'm not against corporations making a profit, but I am against them using and abusing every loophole out there to screw the taxpayers.
     
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    They are not farming wind any more than coal plants are farming coal. They generating electricity which is clearly industrial, same as a coal plant, nuclear power plant, natural gas plant. There's no farming, nothing gets planted, nothing cultivated, nothing lives and nothing grows.
     
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    What about pig farmers? I bought a home with no pig farm near me, dude buys the land next to me, now I got pigs running all over the place, and it smells.

    At what point and where do we draw the line?
     
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    Except coal comes from the ground and the coal plant processes it. Same can be said for the others. Germ and I are on the same page. Where does one draw the line.
     
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    I don't know, who protects the the average American citizen?

    I know I can't do things on my property I would like to. I can't damn up the creek to build a pond because that would affect people down stream? That line was drawn many many years ago. I can't run my septic line to the edge of my property and let it drain out onto the neighbors. That line was drawn as well. I can't build a building on the property line, again that line was drawn. So now we have a new problem that we didn't have years ago, where do we draw this line?
     
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    Seems like there would be a conflict of interest and should be a way to have those zoning members removed from their positions at least for this issue.
     
  8. Skywalker

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    You would think. I would be raising hell if I lived in that township. Not much I can do since I don't live there, I'm about 1 mile away in the other township.
     
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    It's a tough pill to swallow. I do agree that most are okay with any of these projects as long as it doesn't happen to them. The hard truth of the matter is rural America is vanishing. It's something we need to come to terms with. Our population is becoming too large to expect to be completely off the grid without impact from others... ESPECIALLY in the eastern half of the country.
     
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    If you were to read the zoning regulations you would see before you purchased the land that is possible, however you would not have seen the possibility of hundreds of wind mills being put up around you.

    Pigs, horses, cows and chickens are commonplace in rural ag America and the view of outbuildings that they are housed in are quite common. The view of wind mills are not common and the use of the land goes against the zoning regs, thus why they need to rezone before building.
     
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    Skywalker did you have the option of putting a turbine or several on your property?


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  12. Skywalker

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    No they did not approach me. I sit in a lower lying spot. The nearest turbine to me is just under 2 miles. I would have turned them away at the door of they had. I don't believe in wind power as a viable source of power to begin with and I'm not interested in selling out my neighbors and community for my own personal gain.

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    Who pays for the upkeep of the roads where the wind turbines are put?? The Townships do. Most in my area have very limited funding. Most township roads are minimum maintenance in the winter. Now they would have to pay the county to keep "all" roads open in the winter. The upkeep would cost a lot more through the year. The township itself wouldn't benefit and it would probably break most in my area that aren't already broke.

    The township where I work, put an ordinance in place that doesn't allow wind turbines. While the farmers in that township themselves didn't like the idea of wind turbines to start with... they were worried that the absentee landowners might which there are quite a few.

    Commercial hog farms are out too in that township. The County will sell anyone out to make a buck so they are little help if any to the townships here.

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    I suggest anyone who lives in the country to go to and be a part in their township and the meetings. Someday you may just save yourself some headache instead of depending on others to look out for your interests.

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    Well, supposedly that's part of the deal. They say they will put funds in an escrow account for road maintenance, but I don't know the dollar figures. I think they like to make a lot of promises, but from what I can research, the communities are still left worse off than when they started.
     
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    You think that stops other people for complaining, when the folks move from the burbs all hell breaks lose, lol

    FYI I agree with you, just want to know where is the line and how do we determine who draws the line.


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  17. Skywalker

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    Well, I think that line is crossed whey the use of the land changes from how it's zoned. The land is all zoned agricultural, power generation facilities do not fall under agricultural zoning, they are industrial and need to be zoned as such. The wind farm wants to continue to operate on land that is zoned agricultural all while doing industrial business on that property. I think that's a pretty strong arguing point against allowing these wind turbines to be placed on agricultural land.
     
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    So what do we need to do, I I called my governor to get my tax return back, I can fix this :)


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    You could call Barry O and ask him to quite giving tax breaks and subsidies to businesses that couldn't be solvent with out them. You could also ask him to stop requiring power companies to purchase 15% of their power from renewable sources. That would be helpful and appreciated by everyone when they pay their electric bill.
     
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    I'm on it


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