Even at that, I don't see getting BOTH lungs and the heart. Either way. Its his story, I'll let him tell it however he wants Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
I agree that it's about horn porn. Sure I don't like seeing bad shots or a "rage in the cage" with 3/4 the arrow hanging out. However I enjoy hunting alot more when I don't get offended by what other hunters legally do. I have much more a problem with guys riding back roads at night spotlighting deer and cutting off heads. Sent from my 0PJA2 using Tapatalk
I always get ticked when they "SMOKE" a deer first thing in the morning and then show the recovery under the lights at night. Must have waited a long time for it to be sure it was dead. I know that they are trying to get big deer and keep their audience but those of us that are ethical and truly understand that the hunt isn't just about the kill, end up getting a black eye because of their selfish attitudes.
I watched one yesterday where Melissa Bachman shot a 200+ deer through the hind quarters. It was the dumbest shot I've ever seen. 50 yards, she didn't stop it so it was walking it was windy and the deer was jumpy from coyotes that just spooked it across the field. I don't watch her much but She probably has no business shooting 50 in perfect conditions, very few people do, but then she acts like it was so great when the fact of the matter is she got lucky. I am sure we have all made dumb shots at one point or another but a "pro" first off, should know better, then if they do screw up should own up to it on camera.
In my younger days I had done some things like that. i am not proud of it, but years of hunting has taught me to be more patient. I think this guy got caught up in the moment and forced it, he was fortunate it worked out, most times it does not. He had a bad case of wanting to kill a big buck at any cost. I have been there before, but at his age and as a "pro" he should have more self control.
It was a head on slightly turned shot at close range. The arrow entered at the right lung clipped the top of the heart and exited through the left lung.
Great post simply because more people need to stand up and call this crap out when they see it. The problem I see is younger hunters and new hunters will watch this crap and decide for themselves that a neck shot is now acceptable. Same with half the other crap shots people seem to be defending these days. "The hunter came out in me" noooo your desire to be the next Michael Waddell came out in you. If I were the outfitter I would tell that guy he was not welcome back there for purposely taking a shot like that. Lucky is all he was. Somewhere the thought of being an ethical sportsman has been lost in this culture. Sure it has different meanings from one to another but in general most people I've grown up with and hunted with would only take high percentage shots so when something happens, and we all know in bowhunting it can, they are more likely to recover the animal and show it the respect it deserves.
The worst part of this is that guy doesn't think that was a bad shot... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I was actually watching the Sportsmans Channel last night. In two different shows there were 3 quartering to at 45 degree angle shots taken. This is NOT what I want to teach my kids or what the younger generation needs to see as a good shot opportunity. I just don't understand how these people have jobs. Yes, all three deer were recovered, we'll never know if follow ups were needed, they never show or allude to that, but I was quickly reminded why I don't watch that garbage very often.
Problem is your kids watch that and don't understand their 40 lb. bow won't do what that guy's set up will do....oh and dad doesn't know everything as they do it on TV all the time!
I don't film so I don't know but does a camera need that much more light than the human eye? I know bad shots happen and I do not like when they try to hide or flat out lie that thy were good shots or placement. Take the opportunity to use those bad shots as teaching moments. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
While I'm certainly not condoning anyone taking a poor shoot on an animal I have to say many people would have a different tone if they filmed every one of their hunts and put them out there for the world to critique. It's easy for people to sit behind a keyboard and judge the actions of others while acting like they've never taken a questionable shot or done something they wish they hadn't. With that said I do see a lot of shows where poor judgement comes into play on the shot. The difference for me is in how the people on the show handle it. Some cover it up and pretend like there's nothing wrong with it. This is what sends a message to people that it's okay and that the ends justify the means. Others choose to show it and use it as a teaching experience of what not to do, or what to do better. As for the question of "how do these people have jobs" - the fact of the matter is for 98% of them hunting isn't their job. Take the main video in question. Anyone who has a camera and a computer can edit a video and throw it on YouTube. It doesn't mean they're a "professional hunter".
Very good answer to this thread. I certainly have done some very stupid things with a bow in my hand that I wish I could take back. I don't film my hunts for this very reason. It's hard enough for me to execute what I need to without a camera. Justin is spot on about the after shot. I wish more people would take the time to examine what they did wrong/right. I would also like to see more of the recovery, but I do know they only have 22 mins on TV. I could do with out the 5 mins of fist pumps and the " we put the smack down on this big Kansas buck!" stuff. Im not bashing the excitement, but I would rather see 5 mins of an informative blood trail recovery and shot placement detail. Just my 2 cents.
Bingo. And I'm someone who used to be ok with taking bad shots, likely BECAUSE I saw it on so many hunting shows.
I have also seen some pretty bad shots on videos. it happens. but what is more amazing is they always seem to find the deer. remember it is tv and editing is involved. I don't know if that deer was recovered that day or the same weather conditions a few days later. I watch these knowing it might have been modified slightly for entertainment purposes. the one thing that really bothers me is when they long arm the final pose with their game. I did like the grass piled up in front of the deer's neck in that mayhem video at the end. he clearly grazed that deers neck just enough to kill it. I don't do neck shot because I tried it when I was younger and watched the deer run off. they don't always drop in their tracks. when I was making videos years ago we tried to always have a clip of the hunter and the deer in the same frame to prove we were actually there. with computers today I believe an entire hunt could be manufactured without even stepping into the woods. videos are still fun to watch anyways. some videos recently looks like some of the guys just got off the dope when doing their interviews or just woke up out of bed. I like hunters that are upbeat and entertaining not just going through the routine. I still video for fun and it is very challenging but I keep the videos for me. there will always be critics no matter what. I passed a great buck just this past Saturday because I refuse a neck shot and I had a rifle. to each their own is the best way to put it.
That's what I noticed. He never said anything about shouldn't have taken a neck shot. The only thing he said he would take back was he shot it too early for the camera to catch it. Ridiculous.
I did not watch the video so with that said and basing this comment totally off most scenarios I've seen like mentioned, I say this: When sponsorships and the camera become the point and focus of the entire hunt, hunting loses it's integrity, it's dignity and it's honor. Good judgement and decision begins to be circumvented by a different goal that seems to me to be less admirable I'm not saying there's anything wrong with filming hunts, my point is that good judgment and hunting practice should never take a back seat to serving popularity, money or a camera. If you can't get it done on video without being a d-bag then either get a new hobby or try harder. Every rule has room to be broken, there are no absolutes but the wiggle room to fudge should always be done in good taste and with the utmost respect to humane recovery of the animal. Taking a risky shot because you have editing software and two dozen people at your disposal to help grid search for 48 hours don't really fit in those parameters in my mind.
