That shocks me Dan! I would of guessed that your bucks were much bigger on the average then what you said here. As for top deer scoring wise thats a toughy. Its hard to go against what GregH, Hunsucker, Peakrut, Walt and Todd WKP have for areas. You see pics, you read about them talking about 180" to 200" bucks that they've had around. I honestly would've figured Dan would be in this group as well on is Ontario land but after reading his post I guess not. Some of the other members on here I don't know enough about there area to really say anything without guessing. As for top end bucks in an area Troy has my vote there. I believe he shoots the best buck he can where he hunts. 180" class is no slouch anywhere. I don't think Troy has the genes that these bucks have in Wisconsin and Illinois. I'm thinking Troy's bucks are much older as well. I don't know, did I answer this one right Troy??