Statistics mean nothing to the man that drowns in a river that has an average depth of 2 feet. People can use all kinds of stats to say how effective the vaccine is, stats can manipulate any data you want.
I agree, because as macabre as this is about to sound, you cannot deny the logic- the reason C19 death rates are plummeting is not solely or even mostly as a result of the shots, but most likely the fact that C19 has already infected and killed many of the most susceptible. So many people are crediting the shots with 'saving their lives' but you can't prove a negative- it is highly likely (in fact 99.5% likely) that anyone under 65 would have lived through the infection regardless of the shots. Same thing with hospitalizations. I think the last stats I saw were something like less than 5% of all C19 infections require hospitalization across the board regardless of age (and this was in like May or June, shortly after the shots became widely available.) So likely less than 1% of those under 65yoa ever required hospitalization regardess of shot status.
@Sota is dead on about statistics being manipulatable. Truth hurts and not enough people recognize this.
Plenty of people recognize it, but many simply choose to ignore it. The point of my post was that if we're going to ask for specific data (which is usually to help confirm our own bias), we shouldn't stop there. Let's get all of the pertinent data so that we can understand a more holistic view of the situation. Do vaccines help? Lots of data shows that yes, they do. For a time. How long? We're still figuring that out. So let's see the data in regards to breakthrough infections and the timing of vaccination. Are we seeing them weeks after? 1-2 months? Or 6+ months? That's all very helpful to understand what we're dealing with. Along with the age of those who are passing away, and any underlying health issues they may have had. Simply looking at death numbers of vaxxed versus unvaxxed in a given time period does very little to help us understand what's really happening.
I completely agree and this has been my stance for over a year. However, I have given up communicating it. As you said too many people are only interested in confirming their own bias, not on getting a real answer that could actually be useful. People don't read or think beyond their own preconceived notions.
It is weird, we never shut down at work, I have been in several airports, several hotels, eat in restaurants while traveling still nothing. Sure I could have been asymptomatic but nobody around me has gotten covid either what are the odds that everybody in my family would be asymptomatic as well?
Not likely. If you are around someone who has had it the probability of transmission is pretty high. Pretty sure only reason the wife and I got it is because one of our kids brought it home. Even with school mask mandates, there just really isnt a way to control any virus transmission for group of munchkins. Ironically, symptoms in the children are super mild, so it is actually kind of hard to tell if they even have it. Once the wife confirmed she had it through home test, and confirmed with Dr. office test, I knew my time had finally arrived. Way I see it is you can run, but you cant hide. It will eventually make its rounds, just like the flu does. I don't think I have ever met anyone that has not had the flu at least once in their life.
You really feel superior when you get it and beat it. It's the only thing of any value I've accomplished so far this year.
I agree, I am pointing out that the statistics that the state of Minnesota is using to have masks on kids in schools and ultimately will use to force vaccinate children ages 5-14 is purely garbage. Gov. Walz the other day got on the record and said he dismisses that kids don't get real sick with covid. he claimed there were 300 kids in the hospital with covid. In the past 4 weeks, primary school aged kids in MN have accounted for 73 hospitalizations and 20 ICU cases out of 20,813 confirmed cases. That's 0.3% and 0.09% respectively.
Let me introduce myself....never had it. Rarely get sick as an adult. Now, when I was young, me and strep were besties. Had it 8 years in a row.
