Who believes''pro''hunters are any better than the rest of us?

Like I said, most of us here would like to watch the struggle of a public land OTC hunt. Most of the general public, not so much.

I don't watch skin flicks for a backstory

 

Thanks four the spelling lession!!!!!! I just a dumb Yankee,so very sorry to miss-spell them fancy words.
Bye the way.....camo paint is cheap,don't be afraid too use it...professer!!!!!!
I can spell this real good....''****** BAG!''

 

You guys still aren't understanding. The challenge for them is killing their deer ON FILM, and not just on film but with great pre shot footage, good lighting, good story line/ b-roll footage to accompany the 15 second kill shot.

Could we go to a farm they hunt, hunt like we do on our farms, and kill those deer? Yes most likely...Could we do it while producing a top notch television show? No You Couldn't. No I Couldn't (and I've even tried somewhat).

Producing a show is HARD, having that cameraman in the tree makes things so much more difficult when he calls the shots, he decides if you can even shoot even if you have a perfect opportunity to.


I'm not saying they should be revered or heroes of the industry, I'm just saying to put together actual good quality footage like Heartland Bowhunter does or some of the other big time shows on the market....well to put it simply it is freakin hard. I honestly see them killing a 130 on great footage just as challenging as Joe Blow killing a 130 on his own grounds. It is just a different type of challenge. You have to hang sets differently. Trim lanes differently. Wake up earlier. Go to bed later. Give up 15 or so minutes of shooting light because the camera can't see. Accept that even if you have the buck with a chip shot, if it isn't on film you don't shoot. It changes a lot of what I enjoy about hunting.

 

I dont understand the if you have a camera it makes it harder thing, I film my own hunts, and its a little harder but Im doing the filmin and shooting, most of them have camera men, so besides the extra scent and noise, either the shot is there or its not. It shouldnt change anything if he is ethical, no shot angle no shot!

 

Trev,

Let this one go amigo. A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. To get caught up in matters such as these is a complete waste of valuable time and a symptom of neurotic insecurity.

 

Trevor and backcountry are exactly right...if it's that easy, why aren't you doing it? I'm doing it right now from the film side, and if you think thatyou can do the killing and produce a high quality show I'd almost call BS right now. Id venture a guess that most wouldnt make it it past the initial interview on film. All of you guys a"experts" in your given area but do you have any experience hunting mule deer, elk, antelope... let alone be good at it. I know Trevor gets it, Gri22ly knows as much as almost anyone I know about whitetails in hard to hunt places. You see the finished product, nothing more. When was the last time you let a giant deerwalk by because you camera man couldn't see the deer?

 

Well, if it's so easy why aren't you producing your own show? Home filming a hunt is nothing like filming a TV show where everything MUST be perfect with your one and only shot. If you mess up a shot, so what. If they mess up a shot, the show is ruined.

 

I wouldn't want to hunt like the so-called professionals do. There is no way they can relax and enjoy the whole hunting experience. Not day in and day out. That cannot be fun. I would love to hunt in some of their hot spots. Their hunts almost seem to be canned. They should have hunts with normal everday hunter. Hunters who love and truely appreciate the entire hunting/camping experience. Get real!

 

cabinkeeper, ive apparently offended you enough that ive forced you to call me a what?...a grocery bag i guess. Not sure what that has to do with, but anyway. All i was saying was, human nature being what it is, jealousy rears its ugly head, and instead of congratulating those who succeed, some choose to belittle and throw rocks. I personally like the shows, as they are usually good clean entertainment, and while i get to hunt my little corner of the world, I can watch my shows and see the other side.

 

Are Pro's better hunters than some of the people on this web site? That's too broad of a question to answer generically as the skill levels, years of hunting experience, the types of animals and territories hunted throughout the world on this site vary greatly as well as with the Pros. I would have to agree that "some" of the Pros probably don’t have a whole lot to offer as far as field experience or expertise, but sometimes that’s not what sponsors are looking for. However, on the other hand, some of the pros will kick most of our butts in an unguided, no outfiter hunt in every aspect all over the world, with guns and bows, from killing a Cape Buffalo in Africa with a bow to killing a Marco Polo sheep in Kyrgyzstan.

As far as the shows go, unfortunately as Trev and Dubbs said, I really dont think most people really have a clue whats involved in making a good show year in and year out nor whats expected of some of these guys and gals, let alone the pressure they are under to produce a trophy kill for the show. Theres a big difference in the Pros like Lakoskys, Mr Potts, the Drurys, and the Kiskys ... vs guys like Shockey and Foulkrod who hunt all over the world in very extreme situations and conditions. The whitetail Pros seem to be more popular which is understandable because we all can relate to whitetails, even though we CANT relate to owning and managing our own farms in Iowa, Missouri, etc, and passing on 160" deer saying they need another year or two lol. But we all love to see big racks no matter what show it is.

 

Dubs and Andy well put guys. Hell I just use a Gorilla camera arm and Sony Handy Cam and it's a pain in the ass
getting setup everytime with all the other chit I have. I can't imagine all the stuff you guys carry in and out.
Im assuming most hunters have stands setup that they have to rarely move. You guys move in, setup, hunt, and
then get out. I just started this method a couple years ago thanks to Dukemichaels. Its not easy, but over
the last 2 seasons it has gotten better because I have a system now to which I follow.
Now when it comes to anyone that hunts I still believe it's still about location, location, and location.

 

Diesel, thank you! well said

 

Im not even sure that I should try to answer this question. Im not sure where to start. For one we film for bh.com. Does that make us professional hunters. Im my opinion NO. But in my opinion WE ARE PROFESSIONAL CAMERA MEN.

Anyone on here who thinks that filming is easy is dead wrong. Next time you get in a stand sit down and look around. Then stand up and look. Everything changes every branch tree shooting lane everything. Now slide half way around the tree. Filming is the hardest thing we have ever done. It has nothing to do with if its an ethical shot the camera man will be on the deer. angles change and the shots change. just because you can shoot doesnt mean the camera is on him. Sure you can shoot him but why would you go out in the woods and half ass what your doing.

AS far as stuff goes we get some but not even close to make us break even. this job is a hobby. We have 7000 in camera equipment. With the set up we have now. We do it because we love it, not for the so called fame. Its a great challenge to experience in nature.
Sure we get some stuff. We should, we kill our selves to make it happen. 70 Sits a year, 1000,s of dollars and plots, stands and unpaid days off from our everyday jobs.

AS for people who do it full time and go places its a job. Will I do it if I get a chance. HELL YEAH why wouldnt you.
Most people can sit and complain because in america thats what we do. We sit around and bit.. but never try to better ourselves. Most people have the same quality of living at 30 as they have at sixty. I WONT!!!!

And the people that you have been complaining about didn't. They took their resources and bettered them selves with what they were good at and loved doing.
YOU DONT GET INTO THIS INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT EASY, YOU GET IN BECAUSE ITS YOUR PASSION

Next time you think it easy go get a camera. an arm and go film yourself. Then you can get on here and post a link to your footage. Let the public be the judge. Then you can take time to get on here and post your apology!!

 

Or they go to the next state and the next tag in the next guides treestand. Your putting to much into it dude. They are only the shooter, the filmer is the one that knows what is needed to tell the story. Most b roll can be shot after the shot, and if you look close at most shows it is. i didnt say it was easy I said its not much harder then just huntin either the shot is there or its not. I have my turkey season at my editors now, should be on a show this coming winter by the way.

 

I recently watched Gregg Ritz hunt on Lee Lakosky's private farm in the midwest. Sorry can't remember the show. Anyway, this guy walks into a stand and what seemed to be a short time later, harvested a very nice buck on a piece of property that is managed very well to grow and keep quality whitetails. All I kept thinking was "man, I bet I could have done that." I don't know what it takes to film a hunt, but it appeared Mr Ritz did very little to make that shot happen except squeeze his release. Then he talked about how he had to "really pay attention to the wind." Wow Mr Ritz great job!! I'd love to be invited to Lakosky's farm for a private hunt and see if I'm "as good" as Mr ritz. Just my .02

 

I really started something!Good!!!!PPl r so touchy....Sure a lot of ''look at me'' I'm a special person!
Sitting in a tree for a living is not a job!!!!!!!!
Playing golf,football,baseball...are not jobs!!!!!!
U wanna preach how hard it is to do u'r''job''...cry me a river!
I hate what i do but it pays very well.....My opinion is just that...U feel u must defend u'r career(lol)....so be it
By the way...Mr big shot camera man! My problem(point)was the ''actors''or hunters,not the camera men/woman...

 

Ya!!!!!!! Fist pump in the air! Most ppl would laugh at my mounts,my boy shot them all and they r priceless to me!

 

I'm glad most of the seasons are opening soon and people can start getting into the woods rahter than whining and crying about what the next guy is doing or not doing.

 

Lmfao

 

I just took the thread wrong, sorry guy's!!!

I thought it ask if we believe the "pro" hunters are better hunters than we are. No I dont, it makes me laugh to even entertain the thought, LOL.

Evidently, the question was....Do you think the "pro" hunters and there camera men are better at filming hunts and making shows than we are. Probably, but I have no idea. I actually think most people would do very well if they had the equipment, camera man and could devote Sept trough Jan to get it done each year.