exactly Jeff. MJ is the greatest NBA player ever to lace em up, he will go to the HOF, but not really a great family man so Ive been told, Larry Bird same way, Magic Johnson as well, but do they not belong in the HOF?/ You bet they do.
I think you might be looking at this in the wrong way. From what I know about Chuck… what makes him happy is being able to spend a lot of time doing what he loves most...being outdoors pursuing animals. Think about all the people that do something for a living they have NO passion for or perhaps even detest. I think just being able to spend so much time in the outdoors makes the man happy...not the number of records or "accomplishments" he has. Chuck rarely even mounts his animals and doesn't believe in extravagant trophy rooms. He mainly just likes to remember his hunts as he looks at some of the racks piled up in a huge heap in his garage. Not a lot of people get to spend their life doing what they are truly passionate about...I give him a lot of credit for making it happen for himself.
No, Cooter/MN, I am just looking at it from my perspective on life in general. I have nothing against anyone for doing something/achieving something that makes them happy. Nothing at all. If I go thru my life trying my best to accomplish only things that were not required of me, for my happiness, I have missed out. I mean, if I would have said "no, I am not marrying this lady because she might interfere with my goals/hunting, I, my children, and she, would have missed out on some things way more important than my happiness. Jeff, the Hall of Fame is for famous people. I agree. But, in the infamous words of Duke, among others, it is vanity at it's finest. Could we all have been famous at something? Surely. If that was all that mattered was achieving that goal. Would we have died knowing we had fulfilled our requirements/role in this life? Hardly. Vanity...Nothing more.
I admittedly know VERY little on either gentlemen.. but I'm not sure what either have to do with Chuck Adams.. who I was responding of. I was simply saying that a man who kills things doesn't really earn my respect.. because in the great scheme of life.. they've relatively little impact on mankind. That's like putting Babe Ruth in front of Moses and saying Ruth was a great man. How so? Because he hit further? (and we cannot even prove moses didn't hit further:d ) I LOVE to bowhunt.. but it's a personal endeavor for me. I don't revere another human simply because he shoots more things than I do.. and why would anyone.. he's just another hunter. A greater hunter he may be.. but on who's or what scale? Some club.. where entry is based on inches..?? If that's not vain.. I don't know what is. Now.. if the man hunts to feed an entire village.. then he has earned my respect.. he has in-turn helped mankind. But last I checked.. most these guys don't even eat all the animals they kill. That is a VERY sad truth. And c'mon.. if you're killing just for record.. than how can you be revered as anything less than a monster.
And I don't disagree with him being in the HOF. But c'mon.. have you ever seen a pic of Moses.. dudes got some fore-arms even at an older age.
No.. no.. I said in my original post.. "Personally.. I don't look up to ANY single bowhunter who once lived.. or lives now. They are all just men... and many just obsessed with vanity." When I said personally.. I meant just me. I don't care what all you yahoos do with your time.:d
I hope I'm not the "yeah but"... If I am.. you dudes are reading WAY more into my original response than intended. Lot of misinterpretations here.
I still know very little about Chuck Adams and I will know more about him after reading the book. The question still remains, where does Chuck Adams be long? HOF? Hall of Shame? Somewhere between Moses and Mantle?:d
Chuck Adams certainly is a bow hunting beast, on a side note every other person named Chuck that I know is a real D-bag. Nate
does Chuck belong in the same breath as Paul Schafer? Bart Shleyor? Barry/Gene Wensel? Howard Hill? Fred Bear? Im not sure myself. But his accomplishments are a start.
Chuck has already been inducted into the National Bowhunters Hall of Fame, Archery Hall of Fame, and SCI Bowhunters Hall of Honor. Doesn't that answer the question? I don't understand why we are debating this? He is already in.
Things that had never been done before? How about the first to do the Super Slam, 5 Grand Slams on American deer, and hold five Pope & Young World Records?
I may have misinterpreted what you said GMMAT. I'm still not even sure why this is all being debated in this thread. I would think that ANYONE who is already IN the HOF or whatever probably deserved it.
If people spent as much effort analyzing thier own lives, as they do analyzing others, this world would be better off.
I guess in a nut-shell " I just don't give a Flying Bald Monkey's Butt about ANY hall of fame. Vanity. Useless as horns on a jackrabbit. BS. Ca Ca. You get my drift.
I agree with this post. Earlier in this thread I said something that I think may have been taken the wrong way, when I put My grandfather above Mr. Adams as a hunter. I said that because he always hunted for the hunt, never for a record or antler size. He used that time as a way to teach his sons and grandsons. He did it for food. He did it with more respect for the animals and the land than any man I have ever met. That is the measure of a hunter, in my mind. I think that there are two sides to this discussion, at least for me. First, do I think that Chuck Adams accomplished a great deal, yes. I also admire his desire to hunt and be in the outdoors. However, the list of records he has do not impress me. Not at all, and from what I read here I am not the only one. Although I do admire his desire. That is where it ends for me, as he is just a man, as are most of us here. Second, there are differences as to what we feel are acceptable things to give up to hunt. And how he was able to spend so much time hunting. Those I will not get into as they have been talked about a great deal here. I once was captured by killing big deer and other animals for record size. I don't have many regrets, but I wish that I could have known what I know now about the special privilege it is to hunt. As I have said a few times, I would rather spend a weekend hunting with any member of BH.com than a week with any professional hunter.
I sort of think that we have varying views on what success is?? I guess to each their own. I know one thing, I love hunting and just being in the wilderness and enjoying Gods creation.
Guilty as charged. But can it be neglect if your thoughts are with your family frequently? Me too. I guess I'm selfish. I'm reminded of a little saying my grandmother said, "there no such thing as an unselfish act"-meaning, we all do things for a reason. The reason might be for happiness alone-it might be something completely unknown to others...but we do it and we usually gain something from our actions. Bobby, I'm confused. Why in the first place, would you go through life trying to accomplish things, for your happiness, that were not required? As far as you and your wife/family are concerned, is it fair for anyone to change another person’s essence/being? I certainly would not do that to my wife and I suspect she wouldn't do it to me. So Mad, if you were denied this, the wilderness and God's creation, do you reckon you would be a "whole" person (I know I would not be)? Or, would your life be incomplete (I know mine would be)? Would you be capable of reering children, honestly, if you were not whole? How would you cope if you couldn't swallow the wilderness pill? Wouldn't you like to share your experiences with your children? If so, then how can they be experiences if you've never experienced them? There’s some give and take that has to happen somewhere, right? My family is wise enough to understand this. As a grown man, I am thankful my father went into the wilderness and left me at home (at least until I was old enough to go). It made him who he was (I would not have wanted to change him for anything!), which in turn, made me who I am. His is a torch I intend to pass to my children-thanks dad. My father had his priorities right, and I can assure you (Gr8) I have mine right. We can debate "quality" verses "Quanity" all day long-as it pertains to family. Now excuse me. My daughter wants her hair in a ponytail before I give her a lesson in preparing dinner. Yeah Greg, Chuck is definitely in a frickin zone!
