off the subject of the original thread, i agree with dan on the age thing. old bucks make me go crazy. when i see someone on tv or someone in my family shoot an old deer with a massive body that is a real trophy. has anyone ever hunted in maine???? when they "score" their deer they decide if its a trophy or not by weight and body size. if a big body deer has a big rack thats just a bonus nut older, bigger deer are the best trophy's as i see it.