What does a P&Y record buck symbolize?

What exactly does a Pope and Young Quality buck symbolize if this type of buck does not make the P & Y book based on deductions.....

 

Its idiotic. But wont that buck make it as a non-typical?

 

The P&Y organization means nothing to me. SCI on the other hand means everything.

 

Maybe I just don't understand the entire non-typical/typical/net typical/non-typical net...etc. Can't we just let a buck be what it is in terms of the overall measurement of it's antlers?

 

From the B&C website.....

From my understanding, the point of scoring an animal was to show how large these animals once were, if they became extinct. For this reason, it makes absolutely no sense to have a net scoring system where an animal is penalized for not growing a perfect rack.

Cattle, maybe....wild animal, no.

P&Y and B&C records are bogus in my mind and mean little. Gross score is where its at.

 

P&Y meauring is like dismissing Pamela Anderson........because she can't cook.

 

SCI gives credit where credit is due. They also recognize regions within the States. Record book animals are compared/recorded using an "apples to apples" method. Doesn't get any better than that!

 

Agreed. The SCI scoring system is a much better system. The only thing that holds SCI back from being accepted in the mainstream hunting world is the fact that they have categories for HF animals. Because of this, records will always be refered to and based on the P&Y and B&C systems.

 

It symbolizes that a rack should be more anotomicaly correct and not just Big and alot of inches Personally I like the rack's like Frank killed last year that Rob brought earlier, that also wont make it. That buck had Big and nasty all over it, and I loved it. Like I said I would shoot this buck 10 times over again and am very very happy with him OK Guys line me out here, Germ and others have mentioned scoring him as a Non typical, what net score does it take for a p&y to make the book as a nontyp??

 

SCI also recognizes "species"....(if I'm not mistaken). Does an amimal (within a species) need to be a certain size for the hunter to be recognized? If not.....that's (IMO) why it's not "recognized" any more than it is. It's not EXCLUSIVE enough.

 

Dan,

Maybe so. I would like to point out, however, that SCI distinguishes the difference between "Estate" verses "Freerange" in their record keeping. P&Y has some bogus scoring system that is hardly fair as it applies to fair chase as well? What's fair about recording a deer from a state that allows baiting? If I could bait in Colorado (not that I want to), then...how many more P&Y bucks would come from my region? I still think, all around, SCI does a better job of comparing apples to apples.

Jeff, animals must meet a certain size criteria to be recognized by SCI in their book. They all have species distinctions. The species thing you're thinking of only applys to the World Hunting Award Program where anything of the species is recognized.

 

Will, I will check out SCI, Im not familiar with it AT ALL, Thanks for the info

 

Will, you are correct and I said that. Though, maybe I didn't state it clearly in my previous post.

I also agree that P&Y is bogus.

Again, I agree that SCI has a much better scoring system.

I was merely giving my opinion as to why a lot of main stream hunters won't accept the SCI system.

Did you know that the Dallas Safari Club dropped the SCI system and adopted the B&C system? I found that odd.

 

I like that!! what I don't understand is the whole drying period...can someone tell me why that is...I mean the deer scored what it scored live ...

 

I like Jeff's example, but I think it also keeps from having a woman endowed like pamela and looking like octo mom from being equal as well. I have not entered a deer, and may never but I think both scoring systems do well for their intended purposes. A deer like Blood shot will definatly make you question the P&Y system as far as equality goes....cause NO ONE lets that deer go.

I think the minimum (sp) of 125 is what gets this debate going good, because that is just high enough that a brute like Blood shot can fall short with enough deductions...and just low enough that a perfect racked 2.5 year old Georgia 10pt with less than 3" in deductions can make it. Side by side their is NO doubt which deer you smoke but on paper, the 10 is the book deer.

 

What is "RIGHT" about taking away from any buck like the one Crick killed? I think it's stupid.

 

Thanks Mike, you have been nothing but kind on here and pm's

 

I'll tell you what. That buck not making P&Y is a friggen slap in the face!!! You know what P&Y symbolizes to me? It's just the minimum score you need to achieve with many outfitters before they lay a penalty fine on you! Often it's in the hundreds of dollars.

That's an awesome buck you killed!

 

I must be ignorant.. I'm not familiar with the SCI scoring system for whitetails.

Please explain.. like I'm a 5th grader please.

 

I can't believe that buck won't make P&Y!! I just lost all desire to kill a P&Y...really I did. That's rediculous..