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What arrow should I shoot?

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  1. mathewsgirl

    mathewsgirl Newb

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    I'm not sure what arrow I should shoot. I used to shoot 500 easton st. epics but they no longer make those arrows so I was wanting to switch to something that would give me maximum penetration. Any ideas on what kind of arrows I should shoot. I would really love to stay with easton, they have always done well for me before. I shoot a lower poundage bow around 55 lbs so penetration is something that i'm definitely concerned with.
     
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    If you want to stay with Easton then go with the Axis 500's. The Axis is a great arrow with really good penetration. If you want to go with someone other than Easton then go with the Victory Archery VAP. This is what I am going to switch too myself I currently shoot the Axis. The VAP from what I have seen is the best penetrating arrow on the market right now.
     
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    I would look at Gold Tip arrows I have found them to be excellent since switching to carbons 8 years ago I have been shooting Gold Tip XT Hunters very good arrows go slightly heavier for more penetration I like the .340 size not as heavy as a .310 or .300 but a great shaft size for that 55-60 lb draw weight range. They also make a newer shaft called the kinetics smaller diameter shaft and come in either a .300 or .400 spine I like the XT hutners as I feel the .340 spine is a great size and aids in better penetration over a .400 spine.
     
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    OHbowhntr Die Hard Bowhunter

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    What's you DL and what bow are you shooting??? At 55# with a 320 IBO rated bow and a 29" DL, you may need a .400 spine, yet at 55# with a 25" DL and a 300IBO rated bow you can get away with something in the .600 spine range. You say you're concerned about penetration, then you want to design and arrow and BH combination that maximized penetration, starting with the RIGHT SPINE, then work it from there.
     
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    if you want to stay with easton i would go with the full metal jackets in a 500 spine an shoot a coc broadhead such as a magnus stinger or buzzcut. my wife shoots a passion at 55 pounds with a 27 inch draw an uses this combo an busts through everything she has shot hope this helps
     
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    I shoot a mathews jewel with a 23 inch draw length. I know with such a short draw length it really hurts me. I actually shot 400 full metal jackets this year with a 2 blade blood runner. All I shot this year was a doe and the arrow almost tried to pass through but didn't completely. Granted i gut shot her. I'm definitely going to shoot a cut on contact broadhead from now on.
     
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    Passthrough should be fairly easy for you with that poundage. Provided you are in the boiler room. Guts are easy to passthrough as well. A lighter spine arrow like a .600 would best and a heavy broadhead. 150 grain heads would work great. Not necessary though. This is assuming an arrow length shorter than your draw length.


    My son got passthroughs a couple deer with 23" draw at 40#. He used a thick wall 17/16
    aluminum.

    He will ne using .600 spine arrows with 150 grain buzzcuts next year.

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    Here is a study that may be helpful if you are trying to maximize penetration.

    Top 12 Arrow Penetration Enhancing Factors
    1. Structural Integrity
    The most important factor of arrow penetration is structural integrity. If any component of your arrow fails penetration either completely stops or is greatly reduced.

    2. Arrow Flight
    If an arrow is not flying perfectly it’s wasting valuable energy that could have contributed to penetration. If an arrow impacts before it has achieved perfect flight, energy is wasted that could have contributed to forward momentum and penetration. Perfect flight is crucial, you must achieve it no matter what the cost. Pay close attention to the other factors too though or you may find yourself shooting arrows that fly perfectly but can’t penetrate well at all.

    3. Arrow FOC (Forward of Center)
    Tests have shown that EFOC, defined as 19% - 30% forward of center and Ultra EFOC, defined as over 30% forward of center enhances penetration from 40% to 60+%.

    4. Broadhead Mechanical Advantage
    Long narrow broadheads have an advantage over shorter wider heads. It takes
    less energy to push them through an animal. That is their mechanical advantage.
    This is second only to EFOC and Ultra EFOC as a penetration enhancing factor.

    5. Shaft Diameter to Ferrule Diameter Ratio
    You’ll lose up to 30% of your penetration potential if the shaft is larger than the
    ferrule where they meet. It’s best to be slightly smaller in diameter than the
    ferrule of the broadhead.

    6. Arrow Mass or Weight
    Heavier arrows absorb more energy from the bow at the shot & they carry their
    momentum better than lighter arrows so they penetrate better. Bowhunters should
    use the heaviest arrow that will deliver a trajectory they can live with.

    7. Brodhead Edge Finish
    Broadhead edges that have been honed and stropped smooth have a 26%
    advantage over smooth filed edges and a 60% advantage over the coarse
    “serrated” Howard Hill edge.

    8. Shaft Profile
    On all shots tapered shafts show an 8% penetration gain over parallel shafts and a
    15% gain over barrel tapered shafts.

    9. Broadhead/Arrow Silhouette
    Smooth transitions and slick arrow finishes greatly enhance the penetration
    potential of your broadhead/arrow combination. Broadhead ferrules with bumps or
    any irregular surfaces impede penetration, especially in bone.

    10. Type of Edge Bevel
    Only if no bone is encountered does this factor rank 10th. If bone is hit, and more
    often than not it is, this factor jumps up toward the top of the list. If you can’t get
    through the bone, penetration stops. The powerful rotational force of single bevel
    broadheads splits bone. Single bevel broadheads regularly turn what would be a
    wound into a killing shot. Note: Your arrow must be of sufficient weight and
    strength to drive the broadhead through and withstand the forces involved in
    breaching the bone.

    11. Tip Design
    In all testing where bone was encountered the Tanto tip performed best. It resisted
    damage and skipped less than any other tip design.

    12. Arrow Mass 650 and Above
    When soft tissue is hit, this factor is ranked last in importance BUT if heavy bone is
    hit it will be near the top of the list. Heavy bone is almost impossible to breach
    unless you have 650 grains or better in mass arrow weight. (it should be noted that
    this number was derived from penetration testing on Asiatic buffalowhich has
    much heavier bone than any north American animal species)
     
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    i just ran some stats on ot2 with the full metal jackets your still on the stiff side even with a 150 grain head your optimal spine at your stats would be 6155 so a 600 with a 100 grain tip would work for you but you could stay witht he full metal jackets an just bump up in head weight to 150-175 grains an that would give you a arrow just a little of the stiff side an really high foc an should give you enough penetration to shoot through any animal you want to
     
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    Looks like a .500 to me considering the IBO of that bow is 325fps @ 29", that would make it a roughly 335-ish bow at 30" DL. Get a .500, leave it a little long 24.5" and tip it out with either a 100 or 125gr tip, and you will be in good shape as long as you keep your shots to a reasonable distance, put them where they are supposed to go, and use a cut-on-contact BH. Something commone like a Beman Hunter (.003 straightness) with a 100gr up front sits just about perfect with an FOC of 15%, cut it a little shorter 23.5" and tip it with a 125gr tip, and about the same on the spine but you pick up about 17gr. on the weight of the arrow, and the FOC jumps up to almost 18%.
     
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    I highly doubt the bow is that efficient at the really sfort draw length of 23" but it might be. If the arrows are kept in the 24-25" range like you suggest,the 500's will work fine.They should work fine even cut back to 23" but I have played around alot with short draw ,low poundage bows and even without punching numbers in my program(which isnt working at the moment due to a computer crash) I'mj certain a .600 Axis will be just what the doctor ordered. I know Easton reccomends them for a hard cam bow at her specs.


    I would definately reccommend HEAVY broadheads if a .500 spine is used.

    I would be interested in seeing just how efficient the bow shoots.
     
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    a 600 spine will be her perfect arrow at 23 inches with 400 spines cut at her length shes way over spined unless she leaves the arrows way long shes going to run into tuning issues with any fixed head at longer distances
     
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    MY experience with FMJ's wasn't good at low poundage. GREAT ARROWS,flew awesome but didn't penetrate well for me at 53 #. I has them tuned to perfection as well.

    I would go with Axis over FMJ's at her specs.



    Hey mathewsgirl, where are you from in western ky?

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    I'm from Hancock County. Right outside of Owensboro.
     
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    So I assume you shop at Tracy's. (Sportsman headquarters) in Owensboro._
     
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    Mathewsgirl. I just got through shooting the VAP arrow and they have really good penetration. On avg they penetrated 2" more than my Axis arrows and the VAP was a lighter arrow.
     
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    Yeap sure do. That where I order my bows from. He hooks me up with all my archery equipment and you can't beat his prices.
     
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    No you can't, especially since im one of his staff shooters.

    Do you know what your bow is really shooting. Speed and arrow weight. How about arrow length.

    I know Tracy and he set you up with 500's im sure and they are fine especially if longer than your draw length but if your bow is performing like I think, a .600 axis will be sweet if under 23".
     

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