I don't really get most of this. To me, the Vikings picture is disrespectful because they're actually wearing real U. S. Flags. Do I find it offensive. Perhaps. Stupid and disrespectful? Absolutely, but that's just me and frankly, it doesn't surprise me. You've got an entire generation of youth coming up through the ranks who haven't been taught respect, pride in their country or pride in their personal accomplishments and it's just going to get worse. The picture of all the fans in the crowd wearing red, white and blue and waving flags doesn't bother me in the least. I don't see anyone wearing "a flag". I see people waving "Old Glory" while rooting and cheering for the U. S. A. wearing colors that mimic the U. S. Flag. Some are wearing red and white striped shirts. Some have stripes and a field of blue with white stars, but not one of them is actually wearing "a flag" like the kids in the Vikings picture. I really don't see what there is to be all bent out of shape about in the crowd picture. At least they're cheering "for" the United States and not "against" it which is all to common these days. Now if they lay those flags they're waving down on the ground there's a problem, but as long as they keep them flying I'm good with what I see in that pic.
We have our own flashy camo that nobody else can wear ha. Honestly idk why no other branch does. The only time I ever did was at a big ceremony in France for WW2. We were there for the 60th anniversary of D-Day so there were military from everywhere with us being basically the only Americans. We took it off for the color guard part but for the big dinner/meet and greet afterwards we had a pin on. Although that didn't that long either because dress blues are pretty recognizable.
I wasn't really taught about the flag growing up. As for respect, ive learned alot from teachers but I remember one, old guy, definitely country guy and I remember him talking about respect. Picking up trash you see on the ground at school, taking pride. I remember his face and possibly his name. Ill look him up when I go back to my hometown one day and maybe he'll be there. So many teachers I want to thank for where I am today. But Littlechief is right, and it's sad. I know I was a brat with no manners, ive definitely gone from having none to having some. Wonder how I would have turned out if I hadn't joined the military, heck I call some old people sir and ma'am now. Never used to do that.
I took liberties quoting you... this is the issue at the values level for today's generation. We can't do better until we know better and we can't teach better until we do better.
Respect is about as intent as much as the action itself. If I step on a man who tripped and fell in front of me as I was looking away, did I disrespect him in doing so? Conversely if I shove a man to the ground and step onto him to walk over him as I spit in his face, did I then disrespect him? Either way I stepped on him, but the intent of the action is what warrants the level of respect shown. I actually LOVE the fact that my generation is taking pride in our nations flag by plastering it on every thing imaginable from hats, shorts, shirts, boats, houses, cars, stickers, bags, _____, the list goes on. In that same token, I'd knock a guy out for throwing one of our flags on the ground and stomping on it.
People with good intentions get sued every day. How can knowingly violating the flag code be considered good intentions or even patriotism? Is it not really more about a prideful attitude that thinks what "I want" to do or "feel" is okay trumps what "IS" right to do? Once we know better, shouldn't it affect what we do?
because the guys that wrote the code had a different intention than those that live.here.... Geoff, did you serve? Johnny.did....do you have an issue with his comments?
So you would actually LIKE for people to be prosecuted for anything you consider as being disrespectful to the flag?! I mean really!? I think maybe you have less of an idea what the flag really stands for than you think you do if that's the case my friend.
For military members it is a fact that they do, just like rules regarding speaking against the commander in chief or participating in protests govern military members instead of the first amendment. That's all I think should be stated about that as you can not possibly have a valid point to make against what I said.
I don't have an argument because you didn't answer my question to any extent. right now all I can see is that you made an assumption about the flag on uniform regulations superseding the civilian flag code without any other legal code law regulation or policy.
AR 670-1, violate it as you see fit and post updates on your descending pay grade as necessary. Military regulations have nothing to do with civilians and I never implied that it did,
Chris according to my recollection that regulation only states that it will be worn on the right shoulder. nothing about superseding civilian flag codes or laws. how about you quote something from within it that pertains to this.
You basically stated something as fact and stated in a regulation when it isn't to support your argument. Nowhere does it state that the flag code is superceded by The military regulations. If it did, it would state it in the regulation and you know it. Regs are meant to be read and understood by the dumbest person. You're deriving things that don't exist to support your straw argument.
You're so smart, you must be right. You should refuse to wear the flag on your uniform and stick to it until UCMJ action is taken against you. At your Article 15 reading use the flag code that governs rules for civilians in your defense. The US Army will be so impressed with your superior understanding of Army regulations that they will surely drop their case, rewrite the regulation, and award you a medal.
