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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Tony, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    That a baby jeff called it on page one.
     
  2. Germ

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    Jeff had help from Bobby and preacher. Fun debate from what I read.
     
  3. sachiko

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    Right, you can forget the "fear and trembling." That would have scared me away. (I'm a recent convert.)

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  4. sachiko

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    Here is the noble sheep to supply sufficient verbiage to allow posting
     
  5. brucelanthier

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    Hurry everyone and buy your jewelry now LOL .

    http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/185317/
    Superior jeweler says the end is near, so prices are low

    A Superior merchant has come up with a unique way to drum up business — discounted jewelry until the end of time.

    Larry Falter, owner of Superior’s LTD Jewelers, hit upon a novel idea for his latest TV commercial — blending a storewide sale with his belief that the second coming of Jesus is near.

    After opening with the trumpeting of horns and a glimpse of a land assailed by fire and lighting, the 30-second ad shows Falter in his store, stating his belief that as he reads the news “we are really close” to the Day of the Lord and the return of Jesus Christ to Jerusalem.

    “Nonetheless, here and now, if you want jewelry, I have access to millions,” he then says. And it’s all on sale at 50 percent off during his Second Coming sale.

    “I thought, ‘I am going to have some fun here, be bold about my faith position and make a commercial that would tell people how I believe things are in the world’ ” before transitioning into a sales ad, Falter, 65, said Wednesday.

    “I’m trying to be upfront with my faith and my position,” he said. “If anybody wants to see my jewelry or talk about the Lord’s coming, I’m here.”

    Falter, the head elder for Beth Yeshaa Twin Ports, a Messianic Congregation, made the ad after returning from a trip to Israel earlier this year. It began airing on two Duluth stations in early November. It will continue to air through most of December.

    The blend of apocalyptic imagery with a jewelry sale has raised eyebrows.

    “The first thing that crossed my mind was the line ‘Diamonds are forever,’ and I thought, ‘Is he going to go there with that?’ And he didn’t,” Michael Gatlin, Vineyard Christian Fellowship senior pastor, said after viewing the commercial.

    “For me, from a theological prospective, I don’t find it helpful at all,” he said.
    Gatlin worked in marketing for years as an art director.

    “At that level, I can’t picture anyone rushing out to buy jewelry because the Day of the Lord is imminent,” he said. “Other than that, I just find that stuff kind of sadly humorous.”

    Falter has received a few calls and store visits from people wanting to talk about the commercials.

    “If Jesus really is coming back, why would I want diamonds?” Falter said one person asked. But so far he’s only received one negative comment. It came from a Buddhist who was uncomfortable with Falter mixing faith and selling jewelry in an ad.

    In addition to the TV ad, Falter is using a large banner outside his Tower Avenue store to advertise his Second Coming sale.

    “It’s giving me the opportunity to talk to people about things that maybe I wouldn’t have normally mixed in during my business day,” he said of the campaign.

    The campaign is attracting attention beyond the Twin Ports area. The ad has been posted on YouTube and at least one other website. Bloggers and Minnesota Public Radio have mentioned it or interviewed a somewhat surprised Falter.

    “I wasn’t expecting to get any attention,” he said.

    So far, no one has asked Falter why, if he believes the Second Coming is near, he just doesn’t give the jewelry away. But he has a ready answer.

    “I have ethical obligations to people I owe money to,” he said. “If I couldn’t discharge those ethical responsibilities, I wouldn’t be giving a very good witness. I don’t want to profit at someone else’s expense.”
     
  6. slabcrappy

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    This is disgusting. From what I have seen, I am not surprised in the least. :(

    Sal
     
  7. sachiko

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    Well the end is coming. I read an article recently explaining that our sun will flame out in about 4-5 billion years. The earth's end will come somewhat before that as the sun expands and scorches everything in the vicinity. It's not something that I think needs to concern us at this time though.


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  8. Germ

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    Well what the hell are my Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great

    Grand children going to do?:mad:
     
  9. sachiko

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    There's nothing any of us can do about it. By that time though we may have figured out how to emigrate to other systems that would be projected to last longer.

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  10. Tony

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    If anyone cant fathom the fact that morality in this and other "Technologically advanced" countries has not declined exponentially over the last 70 years .....their head is in the sand.

    With the introduction of the Information Age, evil has spread at an alarming rate ... so how are things not getting worse?

    Granted, there have been some good things ... but for the most part...

    Kids come home to empty houses

    The Family Dinner table has been all but forsaken...

    communication between families has been reduced to internet and text messages

    God has been taken out of schools, court buildings, etc....

    Marriage is trying to be re-defined by liberals

    Divorce is on the increase....

    and the list goes on and on and on ... feel free to add to the list.....

    My almost 18 year old daughter just thanked me this morning for not allowing her to be "plugged in" all of her growing up years .. she can actually communicate and think outside of electricity ;)
     
  11. Hooker

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    I haven't read any other post in this thread other than this one, so I'm not exactly sure what the topic is, but I felt compelled to address this issue.

    Actually your head is in the sand if you think immorality has increased. Immorality (we shall save the "how do define morality" debate for later) has always, and will always be a part of human culture. It has not increased, it has just been more exposed by technology. It is just more "in your face" than it was 70 years ago.
     
  12. Vito

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    Oh man, how did I miss this entertaining thread before! And just in case anyone here doesn't dislike me yet, here are a couple more of my opinions:

    I am pro choice.

    I support embryonic stem cell research.

    I have no qualms with gay marriage.

    Agreed.
     
  13. GMMAT

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    Tony....have you ever seen the HBO series 'Deadwood'? And you still think morality has DECREASED in the last 70 yrs.?

    Maybe it has. But, it took one HELLUVA upswing in the time between those times and your 70yr mark.
     
  14. sachiko

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    I said essentially the same thing and even gave a list of many particularly colorful examples of uncivilized behavior in the past. Anyone who thinks the decline in "morality," as usually defined needs to do more reading.
     
  15. Tony

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    Guys .... there have always been pockets of horrific junk going on ... I don't deny that ... but with technology it is the push of a button away ....

    WAYYYYYYY Worse now, IMO ///
     
  16. sachiko

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    Maybe if folks running around yelping that the world is coming to an end would expend the same amount of energy in arguing for a more positive lifestyle, our society could be improved.

    Unless an asteroid hits the earth, a possibility, we have at least a couple billiion years to work on improvements.
     
  17. Tony

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    Have you EVER read the Bible?

    ANd who is running around saying that?

    you are an awfully sassy little girl, arent you? :busted:
     
  18. sachiko

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    Here's the noble sheep again providing sufficient verbiage to allow these words of wisdom to post :rolleyes:
     
  19. Hooker

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    A question for the Christians:

    If a child of atheist parents asked you whether or not you believed in God, would you tell them "Yes", and if they asked "Why", would you tell them about your beliefs?
     
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    Yep, sure would, done it many times, actually been thanked a few times, I apparently can make them feel like im discussing without pushing my beliefs on them.
     

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