No, he was right. Its true. We dont need unions any more. They make things cost more and make businesses close rather than meeting the demands of a group that was not involved with starting the business in the first place and they protect the worst employees. Theu are thugish and boreish and sue the state when they cant get viagra paid for by me and other taxpayers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/06/milwaukee-teachers-viagra_n_673680.html In general they are all around sucky and they need to go. P.S. They are basically a funding machine for the democrat party to so theres that along with the other reasons to drive them all off a cliff. Thankfully WI has Scott Walker to start that drive. YEE HA!
Actually Its really just common sense. That is laccking in a lot of people today. Thankfully the public is growing weary of unions and states like WI are riening them in. The tantrums and whining and tedious lamenting of the unions has worn the public down and they are tired of the unionista and their sorowful lament about how bad they got it. Finally the nation is awakening. And to that I say Hell yeah!
It's amusing to hear your shallow opinion, stereotyping all union members. It shows me how misinformed you really are. I'm a union member of 30yrs. in the private sector. My employer did not decide in the 1930's to become a union contractor because someone put a gun to his head. Nor does he remain a union contractor under some sort of mysterious duress. Our clients do not have to hire a union contractor.....they can call whomever they choose. I have never lost work in 30yrs. Our union has never struck in the history of the local (90yrs). We voted down raises in the 80's. 90 percent of our members are currently employed as we speak. Our employer can send us packing for any reason he sees fit! No hearings or explanation needed! With all due respect ( which is more than you've given me) you don't know what your talking about!
You live in Illinois and work for a contractor that still employs 90% of their employees through the recent economic downturn? What company do you work for and in what sector of the construction industry? I have worked in the local 501 Plumbers Union in the past as well as the UFCW Union. I can honestly say that my experience was crap in the 501. I was a first year apprentice that basically told two third year apprentices how to lay the gas pipe I measured and had them cut. After three years they still had nothing more to offer than Gas pipe and they couldn't do that for crap. Oddly they both had a father or uncle in their local and were all but untouchable. One got fired three times while I worked with him and somehow got his job back every time. I also had a friend who's father recently shut down their Union painting company and reopened under his son's name because they couldn't compete in the greater Kane, Dupage and Grundy county due to Union pay scale and benefits. With all due respect please fill me in on what you do, who you work for and how they can keep 90% of their workforce going when the construction business has faltered in Illinois. I know several Unionized workers that have been on and off for the last three to four years and if they get caught doing side work they are up shizit creek. No offense but you base what you say on 30 years of the only way you know. I have worked in Unions and currently work in a company that far exceeds our competition that is unionized for our Customer Service organization. Our employees get a far better compensation package than the competition who got screwed in the last negotiations and went backwards even though they work for a company that makes Billions in profits yearly. I'm not against all Unions but in many cases people are making at least 20% more than non union and companies are suffering and shutting down with employees that could give a shizit about their employer while showing undevoted love to their union.
Pipefitters LU 597. www.pf597.org We compete in the bidding process with the non union sector on a daily bases. No one I have worked for other than the catholic archdiocese requires hiring a union contractor. It's all about completing the job right, on time, within budget, and in a professional manor. Our union works with the employer & client, not against them! To stereotype all unions and there members is totally absurd!
A lot of it is managements fault & a lot of it is the unions but take GM and Ford as an example. Both are represented by the same union yet GM went bankrupt blaming labor, Ford on the other hand didn't take 1 cent of stimulus money and did quite well! I'm sure we make more than non union too but we still have to compete with them to get the work, Nothing says you have to hire a union contractor.
Non taken....I've also worked for 2 non union shops prior to belonging to the union. We compete for work like everyone else. Our training and ability to do the job is what keeps us in business. Feel free to check out the web site. www.pf597.org
How about the job banks? I could not believe how much money GM was paying to have some guys show up to empty warehouses to clock in then read the paper all day just because their union contract would not let GM fire them. Some guys had been doing this for decades.
Again, managements fault. They negotiate the contracts with the union. If you don't agree with the terms of a contract, don't sign it! Mismanagement! Remember when the GM execs. flew to Washington to ask for a bailout in there private jets? It's the same as when the elected officials of Wisconsin ( the one's that the people of Wi. elected to represent them ) signed those lucrative contracts with the public sector employees, blame the labor force for the mess they're in now. These public officials are the ones that put the state in the position they're in now! And people say government will protect the labor force.....Yea right! Just like they protected Social security!!!!!
Then the unions stage walkout and shut the whole company down. Don't think the blame can start with the companies beforced to except the unions demands. Remember a few years back with the NY transit union walk out and left millions of NY residents and tourist stranded during winter holidaLy season? I think our unions today our like spoiled brats. They're never happy and always want more. Also in my experience. If you want somthing done right and on a timely manner don't hire a union worker. But that's me. If these union worker were really working as hard as they calm they do, everyone wouldn't be after those jobs.
Again, you stereotype all unions together.....our union has never struck or caused a work stoppage in the history of the local! How is the company forced to accept the unions demands when they accepted the terms of the contract agreement? The companies mgmt. should not accept the contract if they do not want to honor it.
Again...your talking the public sector unions, This mess was created by the politicians that were elected to protect the public interest.
That is what I've been saying, No one is forced to hire union labor to do a job for them, That may be you. But the industry in my area doesn't see it that way because our union is still in existence and thriving due to the value our customers and clients receive....again, they can hire non union...it's up to them. By the way....what is your experience in the matter?
Your arguemnts are mute and just that arguments as Act 10 that Walker passed deals with public sector unions only and your whole argument has been over your private sector union. Act 10 has nothing to do with the private unions other than some residual effects that could possibly happen.
How many consumer goods can we now buy that are NOT made in China? Ask yourself how many of those products would still be produced right here in the USA if unions didnt get too greedy? Why will you union guys never answer my questions? Should a union employee that works a factory job without a degree make more money than my County Engineer? Should that same union employee make more money than a CPA or family practice doctor? Is it ever okay for a corporation to make a profit while employing union members? Does being a union member automatically entitle you to a higher wage than all similar private sector jobs? Should a union be a barrier to firing a poor employee? Why was my brother-in-law paid to go sit in a job trailer all day doing absolutely nothing as requested by his union? I would love to hear your responses and reasoning. I think I like unions as much as I like Hooker's brother-in-law. They both seem to have a similar understanding of finance and reality.
