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Way to go WI union members

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  1. Rancid Crabtree

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    Its not the Union's fault.They did what they were supposed to do. When companies try to run roughshod over their employees, they are there to stick up for us. This is another case of a company being vindictive when called to the carpet.
     
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    Even tho my dad was a lifetime Union member (carpenters and cabinet makers), I always said that the unions were going to price or demand themselves right out of their jobs.
     
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    You may want to better inform yourself of the particulars of this situation. This link will go a long way towards that education.


    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/464/106/37904/


    From the report.

    “Following announcement of the election results, Piggly Wiggly filed formal objections to the conduct of the election claiming that the Union's campaign had been initiated, prosecuted and dominated by one Rackley, a meat department supervisor, who used his supervisory capacity to intimidate and coerce other employees into joining the Union and to influence the election results. Piggly Wiggly further asserted that it had had no knowledge of Rackley's activities until one day prior to the election. Affidavits of employees substantiating the allegations concerning Rackley's conduct were submitted to the Regional Director.”

    This is another example of the unions asserting power in a company that is in the best interest of the union but not in the best interest of the business. This is nothing new. Union making demands and a company closing because it cannot oblige the unions of refuses to be controlled by unions.
     
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    Get him rancid, you will be a wiser better man if you learn from him. He knows his stuff

    Don't fight it;)
     
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    Thanks, substance trumps hyperbole. Clearly this was the typical union intimidation leading to unions making a power grab that harms a company so the company say "to hell with it" and closes.
     
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    I agree I got that also from those links you posted, clearly we got all info of what has happen the past years from those links. Any one can figure out who was at fault. Well done sir!!!!!
     
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    It is not the Union's job to look out for the best interest of the business. Its their job to look out for the best interest of their members. If a business tries to take away full time status without sound reasoning,(Sound reasoning is not we need to save $$$) its up to the Union to fight for the little people. Remember there was a time in the history of our country when Unions did not exist. Business did whatever they wanted to to their employees. Child labor, long grueling hours, unsafe working conditions existed. Unions changed that. It might not be perfect, but it is better than the altertnative.
     
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    And in cases, its to the detriment of the very company that employs them. They look out for what’s best for the union leaders, then the union, then the union employee and not at all about the company itself. The company is tasked with looking out for the business, not the union. These folks used to have a job. Now they dont have a job and its because of the union and union demands on the business.

    Even if it means the demise of the very business itself. That is the definition of cutting your own nose to spite your face. Unions do this to extort power. Its driven by the leaders with little if any skin in the game as they goad their minions to “Stick it to the man” to make a point, then they complain when the company closes its door. The union leaders call that a win for big labor. The union employees call it being unemployed.

    I used to use an electric typewriter but it became obsolete. State and federal fair employment act and laws have sufficiently removed the need for unions. Union leaders (who make huge sums) refuse to listen and insist they are needed today but that is just self protectionism for the big union leaders pocket books.

    This will help.

    http://www.thewrap.com/movies/artic...abor-specialist-richard-epstein-1424?page=0,0

    Federal and state laws already mandate minimum wages, Overtime rules, working conditions, youth labor rules, etc. Employees are already protected. This however does not put hundreds of thousands of dollars annually in the pockets of big union bosses so they manufacture strife and tell the union members how much they need them to look out for them but what they care about is extracting dues. Once they confiscate money from union members (and then send it out of state to national union offices to line the pockets of national union leaders) the don’t do anything the state and federal laws don’t already do for workers.
     
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    Be careful what you wish for. You might not like the results. Who's going to watch the businesses? Government? Who do you think gives $$$ to politicians who run for offices? Its certainly not the middle class or the poor working class. Who do you think government will side with? The common folk or the guys who line their pockets? Think about it.
     
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    There was a time in history when unions made a positive contribution to the work place. That time has past.....
     
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    Let me get this straight.

    - Piggly Wiggly allegedly cut hours for 19 union workers, which was in violation of their union contract.
    - When a judge forced them to restore those hours and pay, they decided to close the store, saying they couldn't afford it.
    - That store employed 108 people, who will all lose their jobs when it closes

    So if that's all correct, PW is saying that taking 17% of their work force from part time status back up to full time status forced the store to close? If that is indeed true, I have to assume that there were more problems going on than just wages. My instincts tell me the store was probably in trouble well before any of this came about, and they're most likely using the Union involvement as a way to justify closing the store and making a big stink out of it. Of course it coincides well with the Walker victory and all the press that WI is getting right now. Why not turn it into a scapegoat to try and make the unions look bad?

    I'm not pro-union by any means, but there's always two sides to every story.
     
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    Dude that was not in the links posted and makes to much sense:wave:
     
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    Unions have been replaced with law. (the unions dont accept that because they cannot profit from these laws)

    the Fair Employment Act
    the Civil Rights Act
    The Americans with Disabilities Act
    Fair Labor Standards Act
    The Occupational Safety and Health Act
    Age Discrimination in Employment Act
    the Family and Medical Leave Act
    The Fair Labor Standards Act
    the Equal Employment Opportunity
    Employee Retirement Income Security Act
    The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act

    Etc, etc,etc,etc


    Not to mention state specific acts and laws protecting workers. Unions have been replaced by laws protecting workers. Unions prop up their worth with workers as if they are protecting them when protections already exist. Unions do however have the ability to protect the slouch that would get fired for being a poor worker (no such thing exists in the union mindset and nobody should ever be terminated once they get a job and workers should be employed for life regardless of how useless they are) So I concede that unions do protect workers but it appears to be the worst and laziest of the workers that have protections via the unions. This is a double whammy to an employer that would do better with a higher quality worker but is not allowed to replace the slouch.
     
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    Like I said it is not a perfect system, but it is better than nothing at all.
     
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    ItTs far from perfect and in many cases its worse than nothing at all. Right now, the piggly wiggly employees have nothing at all and its due to the union. These people had good paying jobs. Now they dont. Businesses are fed up with unions and their insistance that the union tell the employer how to run their business. The sooner WI becomes a right to work state, the better we will all be.
     
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    Here in Delaware, we are an at will employment state. This means the businesses hold all the cards. If you don't have a Union protecting you, the company can basically fire you for no cause at all. If you don't have Union representation, it a roulette wheel.
     
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    *Reading this while watching 20 U.A.W. workers work and laughing the whole time.

    It amazes me how brain washed people can be by their own unions. USFAN, no offense, but please think for yourself sometime. The U.A.W is starting to get radical here and it will be worse closer to election time. I've worked management in auto manufacturing since college in union and non union shops. The difference is night and day. Non union shops are way more effcient, higher moral and everyone shares the same common goals. I would type out a more thought out response, but I need to get to this stack of grievences on my desk.
     

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