You can look directly at nafta for the lack of job growth. Jobs started leaving because of what clinton implemented but Bush didn't stop it. He expanded it so he does hold some blame. Congress had the same info he had for the war so they could have stopped it. So they hold as much of the blame. I am one if the few that agree with what he did there. Imo it was a necessary evil. Even with the lack of growth, unemployment was in the 4.5%- 5% range for most of his 8 years. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
appears to have a floating anchor. Form needs work. P.S. Who ever is in charge of doing the code for this site needs to fix a problem. Try to post a new thread and you get layers of Post a new thread/outfitters/tablemountain outfitters and all sorts of things laid over each other. You can get to the new thread you want to post but then when you try to put in the title, .... you get tablemountain again. Anyway, the only thing we can do right now is reply... not start a new thread. It's broke....fix it... it's your job. LOL
As I recall Clinton stepped into the small business momentum that Bush senior had going and it brought us the .com, cell phone and huge stock market boom. The surplus was from these small businessmen ideas and the tabbaco law suit that they fought and won so it vanished into nothing and the stock market crashed during Clinton and bush inherited that economy which some of you may not remember. That was a major deal and bush got out of that and while Having the balls to deal with the Middle East also doubled or tripled the value of our homes. Some people got very cocky with this gift but by playing it safe I made out very well in both economy's and my business is stronger today because of it. I vote for more capitism.
I am so tired of this one sided stuff it is sickening. People defend Bush by pointing out Obamas idiotic ideas. People defend Obama by pointing out the mess Bush left them. Right or Left, both were incompetent presidents IMO. The only difference is their intentions to me. Obama intends to socialize this country in ways that I don't believe our founding fathers intended. Bush more or less ran off his dad's name and tried figuring it out as he went along. Bush bankrolled two wars which were grossly over spent on (whether going in the first place was justified or not...imo they were) Obama has now dwarfed those spending numbers with his pet project of redistribution. I tried telling my friends back in 2008, not ALL change is good. You can make a bad situation much much worse which is what Obama has done. It's time for parties to quit blaming each other and actually try to work out the problems. (IE we spend way more than we bring in, and we have to reverse it). As for the debate, Vendetta you must be in the vast minority. Most of my die hard liberal friends talked today of how they were surprised by Biden's actions while they said he won on content in a landslide. The majority of America thought Biden was out of line last night, regardless of what each candidate said.
He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available). He also was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.
Really? Maybe they're softies then. I felt it was a much needed lift. After the first presidential debate we needed someone to come out and call the pub ticket on their lies. He was there for a fight, and he gave it. I thought it was great. So maybe I'm in the minority, or maybe I just like it when people say "hey, you're ****ing lying".
Both parties threw out blatant lies in both debates... I just hope whoever gets elected can work with the other side and not attempt the route Obama took with his healthcare in strong arming a push through without a single word of approval from the other side.
Nafta was originally proposed by President Ronald Reagan and negotiated during the presidency of Bush's father, George H.W. Bush. George H W Bush, laid out the ground work and worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the United States Senate, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. The House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994
Biden - He showed the whole world how the leadership of this country has no etiquette and the moderator was so biased it was a blatant setup to try and win back voters. Trouble is there are too many lemmings here that won't open their eyes and see what is really going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aESQWYBeV5E Obama admits some of his ads are complete lies and others stretched but downplays it as part of politics. Yet, he runs commercials saying Romney lied and shouldn't be trusted with the Oval Office. How is it that it's okay for him to lie and if his opponent does it we should be offended?
What were his gpa, sat scores, lsat scores? He was elected president of harvard law review (popularity contest)
The idea of nafta is a good one. However, the plan that was passed made it too easy and inviting to move plants to china. I find it ironic that in the debates between bush 1, clinton and perot that perot also backed a nafta plan but said, even then that the plan clinton proposed would send a flood of business to china. Maybe he wasn't as crazy as most thought. I agree that the republicans in the house and senate hold the responsibility as well. But they did some good things as well. What happened to the welfare reform? SS needs to be protected and reformed. SS was robbed to balance the budget by clinton, bush used it to help finance war. And obama used it to finance government takeover of healthcare. I believe this is the real reason politicians don't want to reform it. Personally, i feel Obama is a much worse president than bush. Bush, imo, did a pretty good job, considering the attacks and dangers we were facing as a nation. I agree with tembry, the Obama presidency's direction is the major issue with his presidency. Although,neither were/ are as bad as carter was. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
Well.. Magna Cum Laude, that means top 10%.. at harvard law school.. that generally means good.. Yeah, I'm sure the most popular people become president of the Harvard Law Review... lol
Because he spent like a maniac when we did not have the cash. He had a real chance his first two years to set us on the right track, and he failed. He did exactly what he said he would not do, he became part of the Washington elite.
Agree. I think if any President is going to turn America around it will have to be a conservative Democrat. Someone that the media will not hound and the Republicans can get behind. A JFK type that can tell the people " Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country". Our new FL governor is doing a great job at cutting back on wasteful government spending and lowering taxes but the media has been on his arse since day one and attack everything he does or says. The left just loves to hate the poor guy here.
Unemployment rate was 4.9% in Feb 2008, by the time Obama was inauguerated in Jan Bush was loosing 600,000 jobs a month and had a unemployment rate of 7.8 % and it caped out at 10% in Oct 2009.
Which all occurred about the same time oil prices skyrocketed and the housing market collapsed. Like i originally stated. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
