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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by dnoodles, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Skywalker

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    I agree with you on that. Aside from the asinine year plus waiting period for them to process the tax stamp, I think most people would agree that would be a good change.
     
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    I imagine bump stocks will be banned by the end of the month without pushback by most.

    They're a novelty item that most obly use once or twice and realize they're little more(until now) than money wasters.

    It's not going to do anything for the ones already out there and I'm sure criminals are already trying to acquire them before it happens.

    Handguns can be modified as well to shoot similar to a full auto. Close quarters in a tightly packed venue doesn't require accuracy. Heck, watch videos of how fast a 6 shot revolver can be accuratelt shot, reloaded and emptied again.

    Give someone enough time with any weapon and they can become proficient, or even dubbed a "master" or am "expert" with that weapon.

    Again, all it takes is time. The two mass shootings being compared by many, OrlandO and Vegas, both were carefully planned out for months ahead of time.
     
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    He is the only one who can save us....[​IMG]

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    Here is a good first step

    Let the CDC study gun violence, we have a law since 1996 that does not even allow CDC to study gun violence.
     
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    Forget bump stocks what about Binary triggers I don't understand how they are not class 3
     
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    When the FBI identifies a terrorist inside the United States they can put him on a no-fly list, but not a no buy list.
     
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    Minor fix for you. But as was this case, and most mass murders (Colorado, Newton, 9/11, VA Tech) they need some intel (or 'business rules' for us nerds) first...what would you propose as criteria for adding someone to such a no buy list?

    Ammo volume purchases?
    Frequency of purchases?
    # weapons bought/owned?

    I'll play on the slippery slope...
     
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    It doesn't matter!? Wow.
    It does, and it is.

    It most certainly matters to several hundred families right now. Cities will always have their crime and thugs. But, we should all expect to be able to attend a public function without the fear of hundreds or thousands of bullets raining down on us from hundreds of yards away. Maybe there is something that can be done?
     
  9. Skywalker

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    The reality is that we live in a dangerous society with people willing to do evil things. Obviously this is a terrible tragedy and if we there's a way to prevent it, I'm all for it. Gun laws won't prevent it. This guy was just as capable of flying his plane into the crowd and killing just as many people. My point is that we have become desensitized to the violence in the inner cities. I see no one clamoring for sweeping changes in regulations to slow the shootings and murders of the inner city. Everyone wants to ban the AR style weapons when they are used to a much less degree than other types of guns. In fact, shotguns are used more frequently in murders than AR's. It's not about the type of weapon used, it's about the person using the weapon.
    I'd like someone to tell me what possible regulations could have prevented this guy from doing what he did. He had no criminal record, and no history of violence or mental instability. How can you limit him from buying weapons?
     
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    Tin foil hat time again....

    Deep down inside, who doesn't feel like this was perpetrated to push an agenda of gun control. For a guy that family and neighbors say wasn't a "gun" guy, why would he have suddenly decided to buy over 30 guns? Perhaps to push the agenda that it too easy for someone to build and arsenal? Why have so many guns in the room, it only takes seconds to swap out magazines, I could understand having 3 or 4, in case of jams or getting too hot. Why would he have used two hides, the angles from that distance would only change by a minute amount, not enough to provide an advantage.
    There's just way more to this than something a single, senior citizen with no military or tactical training should be able to pull off.
     
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    If you can't fly because you're a danger to our country, why can you buy a gun?
     
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    People's stupid knee jerk reaction...attack gun ownership and availability. This guy had explosives in his car...had by some miraculous act...guns been made absolutely non-acquirable...he'd have simply figured a way to use explosives and rather than have a few hundred people wounded and some tens of people dead...an entire block or so would have been vaporized.
     
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    The way the LV sherriff spoke last night, stating there is evidence that the killer wanted to escape, insinuating he had to have had help at some point, the explosives left in the car etc...

    Makes me wonder if this wasn't originally supposed to be a multiple shooter situation and the plans fell through or the others backed out and he ad-libbed.

    Did he have the tannerite in hopes of blowing the jet fuel tanks?

    So many questions that will likely go unanswered. And so many answers that have yet to be released
     
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    No one here is attacking anyone or guns. We are talking and learning:)
     
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    Not here necessarily but there are folks all over social media and regular media doing so....that's why I was not specific.
     
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    Maybe not here, but just spend about 30 seconds on Facebook and Twitter. Trust me, the agenda is being pushed. Hillary Clinton started pushing it immediately. Not even a second to ask why, just attacked gun ownership.
     
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    Keep those meatheads out of here, we are having a good talk.
     
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    50# Tannerite. Available over the counter. But yes, could've done damage.

    Apparently he also took shots (~600m) at airplane fuel tanks on the other side of the venue (apparently he didn't know it wouldsn't explode). Hit them twice, so I'd assume that may have been his opening salvo.
     
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    I'm not sure why or how you could discuss this issue and leave the gun control advocates out of it but whatever...I had a broader point in that post.

    Since I know the next post will be "and what was that broader point" I'll go ahead and say it was that there is no way to absolutely stop people hell bent on committing mass murder. Any means to control it devised by man, can and will be worked around by man...it's called escalation. It would be like Peta developing arrow proof jackets for deer, we'd just develop more powerful piercing arrows.
     
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    The 3 problems with that approach I see:
    1 there is not a well vetted process for avoiding false positive additions to the no fly list.
    2 there is not a well defined process to get off said list, if you are a false match - many stories are available in the public domain on this.
    3 the LV shooter was not (apparently) a suspected terrorist (nor were many/most of the other mass shooters). So what are you really gaining here?
     

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