Gri22ly, it sounds to me like you hunt pressured areas in both urban and rural areas. The behavior of your urban and rural deer sounds pretty similar to what I deal with. How would you assess actually hunting each?
I love this thread. Poke a little fun at any hunters deer and he's all "up in arms". First.. lets break down what a rural farm and an urban farm is. Because it seems to me that many are confusing totally un-pressured deer with pressured deer. Germ already pointed this out. So to those who are talking about within a neighborhood where NO hunters are present.. thats not an urban deer.. thats a preserve deer. Gregh.. thats what that piece you had out in Tempel was. NOBODY hunted around you.. and it was like a small part of 3500 acres. And this is no knock on you.. or your hunting.. I'm just callling it like it is. But when we break down the diference.. we should compare an urban 100 acre farm to a rural 100 acre farm.. and in a relatively similiar setting.. because.. thats where it only could be comparable.. NOT behind the Gander Mtn nobodys ever hunted. Those are preserve deer.. and yes.. they are the dumbest. Justin hit in on the head a few posts back.. rural deer actually do what a book says they should do.. and the best part.. is the next day on a rural piece.. is like a whole NEW season.. always have different deer moving through.. on an urban piece.. its still the same farm with the same freakin' deer. This ain't rocket science.. in a true urban setting.. where continuous farms neighbor each other.. ITS A GUARANTEE someone hunts there.. ESPECIALLY around major cities. And those deer have been seeing pressure from day 1.. many even been shot a few times before. In a true rural setting.. NOT every land has a hunter.. some land only sees pressure in gun.. tracts are bigger.. food is more plentiful.. less human pop.. means less hunting and human pressure. I've killed them on both.. an rural farm.. a urban farm. A big difference between the two.. when they are not preserve deer. Like Germ said.. its about the pressure.. and a urban 4 year old is HANDS down smarter an animal than his 4.5 rural deer... on comparable tracts... NOT neighborhoods. Its not meant to bent someone out of shape.. IT is the way it is. Just like a 4 yr old buck on Michigan public ground is MUCH smarter than his Iowa cousin on a comparable public piece. Chances are.. he's seen LOADS more of the arrow throwing hunter. I hunt more rural land for 2 reasons.. dumber bucks.. and less hunters to deal with. I'm not afraid to admit it.
First off Duke, ....I don't need you to define ANYTHING for me when it comes to deer hunting. Been there and done that since before you had your first license. Second of all, there were other hunters hunting around me, quite a few of them. I saw them as well as conversed with them. The land manager, Larry, had to let them in for ag tag purposes. His rule was that they had to shoot 3 does before they could shoot a buck. How do you think their chances at a buck were after messing up their area after shooting 3 does? Granted, the hunting pressure was light but it was there. Calling it like it is, huh? This isn't the first time you've been totally off mark concerning my old hunting spot. It seems that you think you know more about where and how I hunt than I do. You should remember that I was there and you weren't.
Please lord send a 5.5 200'' dork deer my way, I have no pride I will shoot the dumb SOB, LOL In like 96 I was hunting NLP public land in MI. It was area 452 and they were giving permits out like candy. A nice doe popped out around 6:00 o clock. She made her way to me and I turned slighly. My safty belt rubbed a bit were it attached, I could barley hear it. She did not stop and look up, pause or jump a few steps. She left the county, LOL Move two weeks ahead in the season, I am at my farm in the slp. I just get in my tree oct 21st at 4:30, I look out in the corn I see a nice 100+'' buck. I am shooting it, he is about 30 yds out. I drop my rattling antlers and my quiver and he still coming down the trail. He's dead btw. I am in search for hunting ground with light pressure
I was simply pointing out comparable pieces.. both urban and rural. Yours was neither.. again.. wasn't an attack. Just using your land in that 1 spot as an example. I know you have other spots. Those are preserve deer.. both you and I.. and EVERYONE who knows this land know they are just that. BIG deal.. so call it like it is Greg.. no one cares but you. I just needed the example. I don't care that you did it.. I would have done the same.. only I would tell everyone what it was. I've hunted preserve deer before.. and I'll admit it.. OPENLY. Why does every hunter have to be so offensive.. when you just call it like it is?? I didn't kick your dog.. or burn down your home.. I just called that unpressured piece a preserve.. WHAT you think its normal for 5 yr old whitetail boasting 160" on their heads to walk around all the time.. like they do there.. in great numbers????? So what dude.. get over it.. I hunted next to a FP before.. I know what they are.. and I could care less.. I'll even call those deer EASY.. those bucks I took.. EASY on that setting. Much easier then the deer I took elsewhere. You are just so typical a hunter Greg. I know.. I know.. it's so hard and so tough to kill them. You must be awesome to be able to claim a GIANT buck. Greg Hanson.. worlds greatest big buck hunter. Gimme a break. I'm calling your 14 acre WONDERLAND the preserve that it is. Big difference between the 2 of us.. I don't think hunting is that hard.. I will tell you when I kill one in that type setting.. and I don't think my poop don't stink. No one cares dude.. why you gotta hide it so much? My only regret is I should have used my past 'preserve' land as an example.. the only problem is.. yours is obviously easier to use for the purpose of this discussion.. since its a well known BIG buck producing area. And we've all seen your pics 1,000 times.
our zoo has a few nice ones and there is very limited pressure. If you hold up a carrot you can call them right in! Huge plus - no tent people and a very short drag!
And I hear you Germ. I'll do it too.. whack a preserve deer or whatever some one calls it.. and won't care at all.. but I'll tell everyone what a dip**** the buck was. Cause its funnier that way.
I truly have nothing in this world against Gregh.. LA. But I have always had a problem with a person who tries to sell it bigger than it really is.. in any setting. Deer sleep.. they drink.. they eat. Doesn't matter if they have 100" of antler or 160".. they still do the same. Only difference is.. the pond we each get to fish in. That's the key.. the biggest secret is.. the land you hunt on. And unlike some deer hunters.. I'm not afraid to say its easier than they make it out to be. I'm not afraid to say what it is. I've taken bad shots.. bad angles.. have lost deer.. have hunted neighboring preserve deer.. leased land.. public land.. hunted outfitted land.. YOU name it. And I'll call it like it was. I got nothing to hide. It's deer hunting.. not rocket science.
I will give my apologies to Greg. When I re-read back through I could see how anyone thought I was attacking him. I wasn't.. I just gave his land as the example. It was not meant as a sucker punch.. when I write.. its very quick and with no emotion. Sometimes it can be mis-read as much more volatile than it really is. My bad. But that doesn't mean it was not a wrong assertion of that 1 former spot of his. It has EXTREME low pressures.. not comparable to an urban farm. Which I needed for this discussion. Carry on.
