Unions .... are you for them in TODAY'S society?

Don't try to dumb up what I said Jeffro. I never said, People with a degree/education should make less money.
But it is nice to see that at least one person on here admits to being a Corporate Suck Ass, I'm sure you sleep well.

 

I'm not sure that's possible, Sliv.

 

X2, my company has footed close to 30k for my schooling efforts and I have paid around 2k out of pocket. Without a Bachelors degree I am just another sucker in middle management. My company is filtering out internal job candidates with education being a primary factor. I have watched several peers that are hard working get left out of the interviews, while people with more education and less work ethic get the interviews. I would be stupid to pass up the free schooling and more stupid if I sat around complaining like my peers without the education. I will likely look into starting my Masters next spring.

 

So if I have an associates degree and completed a four year apprenticeship and belong to a union, what's that make me?

 

Heck, I was training a guy yesterday that had a master's degree. I don't have one and don't plan on trying to extend my BA any further. He will be working for me soon. It is all relative. On the flip side, I work for a guy that "only" has his high school diploma, went into the military for 20+ years and is a leader. Again, it is all relative.

Here is my take on unions. I have no experience as a Union member or with anyone that is in Union. So my thoughts are all philosophical. Unions have a right to form under the constitution, ie The Bill of Rights under "the right to peacably assemble". And private businesses owners/operators have a right to tell their employees to "eat it"/"screw off"/"you're fired"/"your a pain so your fired', whatever. For we are "supposed" to be living and working in a capitalistic society where free people freely ask an employer to hire them so that they may strive to better themselves financially. In turn, that employer can run his/her business as they see fit. If they don't allow Unions to exist, then so be it. Look for another job. For that is the game. When we have the government stepping into the free market on a consistent basis, it violates our founding fathers wishes for a capitalistic society.

 

Thought I'd toss this in:

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=44662

The "cause and effects" of this discussion are mind boggling-good points made by all involved. As I analyze the data, I see things, we as Americans, need to understand, shift from, and move towards. It is critical for us all to understand "Life" has no guarantees (besides taxes and death). More education (any form) is a good thing-be all that you can be. Complacency is bad; less government is better. Personal accountibility and responsibility must increase (Whose fault is it anyway? Is McDonald's responsible for selling a hot cup of coffee or is the woman to blame for burning her tat-tat by placing the coffee between her legs while driving?) Nothing is free! For politicians, it is easier to pass out candy than to take it back.

Work calls......

 

It makes you a player.

 

Your right, because he speaks the truth! LOL!

 

Group hug.

 

So in realty .... don't unions = more "govenment" and LESS right to choose ... kinda like the left wing politicians believe our country's government should be?

Personally, I would rather rise and fall on my own merit than to allow a union to keep the ones who could care less ....

I was at the inception of a union coming in to our sheet metal fabrication ..this was YEARS ago .... I climbed up the ladder in that place very fast .. I worked hard and I was reliable .... and I received the fruits of my labor .. I leap frogged many guys that had seniority on me because of my ability and reliability ... but the dissenters wanted a "voice". They voted in a union and I was elected the unit chairman ... I was just a kid... thought I could keep the peace .... to no avail ... the union changed that company for the worse ... I LOST pay because the "position" had a strict $ amount, and my boss had to follow the UNION'S rules now .....

Any old-timer will tell you that if you work hard and are faithful, you will never starve and always succeed ... and I have believed and lived that philosophy ..and it's true

BTW, for those who will answer back for company's that have ******-bag management ...... find another company to work for

 

Your fricken Halarious.
You call what I write Left wing crap when it's actually documented history, and then post Right wing assumptions from a conservative think tank group.

Let's start at the top.
The NBER, a so called non-partisan Institution headed by Martin S Feldstein. Smart man, Harvard, Oxford,Guru to Bush Economics, Member of the Presidents (Bushwhacker) Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Board member America International, Board Member HCH and Board member of Eli Lilly a Pharmaceutical company with strong Republican ties.
He is so smart it makes me wounder how he could possably forget to clame 10 million dollars in Conservative Philanthropic Underwritings.
Also makes me wounder how he can publish the artical you posted by Linda Gorman on Mas and Lee's Union Simulations, full of words like possable and suggests, based on calculations of inflated wage increases. Oh wait maybe 10 million had something to do with it.

Love the minimum wage one from 2006 based on assumptions Or no facts, for you hard headed people.

AND: starts off with the word WILL,... like they have a crystal ball that tells the future. What a Joke

The JLR is made up of many authors and books from liberals to neocons so I would love to know who wrote that crap. Insinuating it is something from the JLR is a fib! But I will address it just the same.
Boo Hoo on the overtime. thats all I will say on that subject
History proves that numbers continued to rise in both the auto and steel industries years after the union was voted in and started declining when better machinery was introduced, Robots, CNC and so on. Steel took another big hit when they started importing the jap crap.

As far as Coal Mines go (I cant belive I have to explane any of this to any one above a 6th grader) Better Machinery, Electric Heaters, Nuclear Power, Solar panels and Wind Mills are 5 right off the top of my head.

Daddy was a Union Coal Miner befor he made the trip to Detroit to be an auto worker, Wife was a Non-Union Coal Miner and I can tell you that the only differnce between the 2, was unions pay dues, had to bargan for higher wages, and suffer wage losses while walking picket lines, while non union just held their hands out when the strikes were over to get theirs. Most Independent workers are the same, be it electrictions, truckers or whatever.

I won't bother to address the Union hack crap, but will suggest you take a few history classes while your in junior college.

 

Any DSOB should have known when gas hit 2.50 a fricken gallion and was saying it was going to hit 5.00 you stop making SUV's, giant 4x4's and start making gas savers. A slow third grader and some simple math can figure these things out, yet there are some that gobble it up.

This shows what you understand about the economy and microeconomics. Even before I went off and got my "couple more years education of art , dance, and photography classes at their local community collage" as you put it I could grasp that. Businesses build, make, or sell what CUSTOMERS want or need.

If you had not hurt your brain using this word (microeconomics ) trying to make me look bad, you might have noticed you wrote the same thing I did using differnt words.
Don't do that no more, I almost blowed a stint out of my heart laughing at you.

 

It makes you well qualified for your trade; however, if you tried to get a job at my company it would likely leave you in the Customer Service pool.

With that being said my degree will get me nowhere in the trades if I want to do commercial carpentry.

You did what you needed to do in order to have the skills you need for your line of work and I am doing the same. Neither one of us is right or wrong here, we are just trying to be at the top of the game in order to stay employed.

 

Flick, I highly doubt that Jeff hurt his brain. I think he actually complimented you in a way for understanding microeconomics.

 

It has nothing to do with government, If a company has a union its because the majority of the workers in that shop felt they were being cheated on their wages or were working under unfair or unsafe working conditions and they voted one in. Not to hide people that don't want to work like some crack heads belive.

If your looking for work and don't want to work for a Union shop Just Keep on Moving.

If you belong to a union shop and you think they will keep treating you fair and will pay you more because your so dam good, then by all means vote them out.

 

If thats the case I would apologize for making fun of him, but I don't think thats it

 

The issue is that you blamed it on the companies and the products that they produced. As if the basic laws of supply and demand would allow a company to do anything other than produce what the customers are buying.

The problem with your point of view is that it places all of the blame on the corporations and those that run them. Not the employee or the basic consumers. Fact is that from your first post it is clear that you side with Obama and his union supporters, and more than likely buy into all the hot air about how they can somehow save your job if you are a union. When in reality that is not possible. Now, what is coming is a time when those union hacks to go get a job and be judged on you performance and ability rather than kept at a job because of some dues paid..

If you struggle with big words I can tone it down and speak slowly so you'll understand

 

walmart sucks!