Union strikes

Statistics don't lie.....the people of the great state of WI are not big union fans. Despite what some of our union members here think.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/22/public-unions-hit-polls-ahead-possible-federal-shutdown/

A little excerpt from the article.....

 

sry wrong thread

 

We don't like Unions and we don't like corporations.

What do we like?

 

Me and and my wife was talking about this last night while watching the news, But the conversations was more on the news casting side of it it's seems like not to long ago all the talk was how much we need teachers and how low paid they were and have too many kids in each class..... it's like turning off a light switch as to how fast opinions change towards are teachers.

As far as i can see corporations have found ways not to pay taxes and cities cant keep the light's on without taxes.
And the media is all about inciting all sides for a story.

 

I been working for 40 years, 26 if you take away my time in service. Started in a gas station, then took a job in a welding plant at the age of 17. I have worked Union and non union alike from MI down the East Coast and through out the Midwest, both Construction and Manufacturing and I can tell you I have never seen any of the ridiculous crap I've seen posted on here.
As far as sitting in the trailer all day on construction projects, Bull Chit, and who in the hell is dumb enough to belive that crap. Most union Construction workers do get 2 hr show up time for inclement weather and its up to the company if they let you go home or keep you for the 2 hr to see if the weather clears up. Most stay to play poker.
As far as Quality on Construction Jobs between union and non union goes, I can tell you this, I have done 100 times the repair work on fixing non union screw ups.
On the expansion of Detroit metro Airport, a union job that the company I was working for used a non union Fabrication shop for their steel, I had over 140,000.00 worth or repair work.
A non union Company building a washer plant in Kentucky had to hire me to come in and reweld every single hoop on a beltline that could not pass inspection, Looked like sprayed on Rat Chit!
I got to stay on that job for 3 extra months once they tried to fire up the plant, Dumb asses had been putting their pop cans in the pipes, the wife and I made 70,000.00 that year, it was 1979.
I could write up pages of this and its hands on, not some, I got a brother in law or I got a friend of a friend crap. And I dont have a non union Company that benifits me to bad mouth anyone. I dont have a dog in the fight period. And I dam sure dont come on here making statements about things I dont know Jack **** about!

I find it funny that someone thinks its disturbing when they come in from out of town with unskiled, under paid workers and under bid a job, and then can't understand why their being picketed by someone that lives in the area and went to school for 3 years to do that work.

Never see anyone sit in a truck and get paid for it, union or non union, But I'll tell you what, you all let your outfits know I want some of that, I'll make myself available for union wages and will even keep coffee made. LOL!

Companys fail due to mismanagement of funds, most people with a High School Education that has not been exposed to Corporate sponsored talk shows or Power Meetings can show you with simple math.

There is no doubt CEO's and Management should make more, No one is anti Corporation here, but don't try and tell me there is not a problem.
When Nixon was in office CEO's Made 20% more than their workers, they now avrage 257% more in wages and their benefits are boarderline insane., while more and more middle class workers suffer Cuts in Wages, Benefits and now over 15% of the country is Uninsured.
For every union plant that offshored there were 4 non union plants that also left the country, so it has little to do with unions and alot to do with Corporate Greed.
The past 10 years the US has went from first to third in manufacturing and one look at the trade deposit should tell you there is something extremely wrong. Yet most of middle class America continues to sit around with their thumb stuck up their ass because it has not effected them yet.

To Be Continued!
Were going to talk about the Dumbing up of our Country next, Stick Around.

 

We did that at the last presidential election ....

 

Were just getting started here .

 

a couple of honest questions:

1. was the level of quality and professionalism of this show demonstrably lower?
2. if so, in what way?
3. did the customers get a fair value for their dollar spent?
4. did the customers pay for union labor or did they pay to entertained?

I'm just curious cuz on the surface it doesn't look like anyone was 'ripped off' in my eyes...

 

What is cool about sliver's thread is, it shows how honest he is. Shows his real intentions. Good news is most union and non-union folks in the world has seen this 'rediculus crap" as he puts it.

Thanks sliver for showing your cards.

 

They like to be lied to and led by the ear into a made up budget crisis by a ******bag! LMAO....

 

Guess your naive then or too cynical to understand this does happen.

I don't either. My company is union for field operations. We are required to be union to bid on most work. Our workers are outstanding for the most part. It's the local labor you are required to hire in strong union areas that kills me.

Since you have called BS on my personal experiences, obviously it's you that doesn't know as much as you think.

Obviously you have not seen it all. I'm sorry that you feel like you know it all, but you have lost some creditability on this issue with me since you will believe only what you want to believe and can't fathom something you haven't witnessed doesn't occur.

You may have had all those great union experiences fixing non-union labor work. I can believe that. There are skilled trades where unions still have a place today. A good example is Joe's field. I can see that. As always, I put myself in the other guys shoes and I see how and why Joe feels the way he does. He has a good job, with good pay and benefits, and he is in need. It is a great fit.

It's the guy that is assembling cars, driving trucks, collecting garbage, sweeping the floor, mowing the grass.... etc. these people do not need a union.

This thread will get locked if I'm not careful and it's been a very good discussion. I've stated my opinion, cited my own experiences (not someone else's). I will refrain from further posts in this thread. I respect your opinion Sliverflicker.

 

Yeah Dan...once again you are right...they don't lie...

http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=northwestern&sParam=44031390.story

 

See, you have that union mentality that they brainwash you with from day 1, how you think that just because you fork over union dues, that makes you more qualified than everyone else. Just look at what I quoted from you above - you call someone unskilled, under paid workers when you have no idea how skilled or what they are paid. But you figure that just because you paid your union dues, it doesn't matter because you are more qualified.

Also what makes those people who live there feel that they should have some sense of entitlement to that work? You see it as perfectly fine to disrupt other peoples job-site just because you're from there, it's private money paying for the project so why should the owner gives a damn if locals work there or not? The locals didn't help pay for it.

Also you talk about the two hour showup time like it's no big deal. Why the heck should someone get paid for 2 hours for just showing up? What did they do to deserve that? Absolutely nothing. Here's a concept, how about getting paid for the work you do.

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I went to work today, worked for 6 hours...got paid for 12..........why, because the guy that was paying the bill loved the work we did and did the job in record time...so, he paid us for a full 12 hours that it was scheduled for...because the last time this booth went up it took the non union workers 12 hours to do so last week! I'll gladly pay my union dues.......... LMAO!!!!!

...by the way...I get paid 4 hours just for showing up.....just saying!

 

I'm a non-union, and apparently, incompetent plumber. (By some people's definition).

...I've got no complaints though!

I really have no problem union, or non. If I like the company, and they offer me what I'm looking for, what the hell is the difference.

It's the whole "Brotherhood" "Holier than thou" attitude by a lot of union people that is a real turn off, and actually just plain annoying.

 

Too bad you let emotion drive you so much in a discussion Joe. I post an article with poll numbers and you try to make me out to be a bad guy.....just because I don't agree with you.

I was simply stating the fact that not everyone in WI thinks our new governor is a "******bag," as you would call him. And also that a lot of the citizens of this state are perfectly fine with what he is doing, unlike what some want everyone to believe.

Oh, and thanks for proving a lot of our points.

 

Make you out to be a bad guy...really? I just posted a poll like you did... ????

Yeah Dan...the companies that pay me had no problem with the 4 hour minimums what so ever...thats why they just extend out contracts for 5 more years...they didn't have a problem with it and they pay the bill...why should you?? :D

 

This rant solidifies my opinion of someone that has drank the cool-aide from the left leaning and union brainwashers. Here is someone screaming BS to actual accounts from others because it does not fit his mold and beliefs of a system that is broken. And because he may not have experienced it himself, it cant be possible. The logic is full of fallacy and yet it is spouted as fact. You have proven my point better than I could have done in three pages of examples. By the way, my wife USED to belong to a union. And I have other family members that still do. Hope you are not dumb enough to not believe these things do happen all over the country on a daily basis. Our local utility workers (union) were asked by their employer to come in for as much overtime as they wanted and do nothing so the company could justify the rate increase they were asking the state utility board for. Guess what, when the rate increase was granted several months later, everyone was back to regular hours. If you dont believe that, you have graduated with honors from the dumbing down of America.

 

So, Joe, are you trying to say, that this is the experience with unions 100% of the time? 90%?, 50%?

I am sure, you are a top notch worker.

But your post is about you, not all union workers. I have seen good ones I would hire, but its not always like that.

 

I was referencing your comment....."Yeah Dan...once again you are right."

Maybe I took it the wrong way.