Union strikes

It's limiting bargaining leverage. It's something that is needed. Let the market dictate how much the employees get paid.


The job of government is not to provide employment. The job of government is to provide the highest level of service to the tax payer as possible at the lowest possible cost.

So many millions of people have had their pay cut or have been let go at their job over the last few years. I can't blame them for being pissed as well.

This is not a favorable situation.

How do we fix it?

These are tough decisions.

The time has come to deal with the budget problems. This is only step 1 of Walkers plan.

 

I love me some Oswald Bates.

He kills me (also).

I'd really like to hear how I'm gonna lose some of my freedoms....if the teachers lose in Wisc..

 

And why have they lost their jobs and had pay cut?

 

What diff. does knowing the answer to this question make?

 

Start a thread on why. It is reality.

 

I understand why you don't want to answer. We all know why, we all know the teachers pay nor benefits put wisconsin or any other state in this fiscal mess. Yet the battle cry of pay their fair share is yelled.

What is their fair share in this mess? The people who lost their jobs, and job lost has been on both sides, private and public have paid more then their fair share. Have they not?

 

The whole country has been living on tomorrow's earnings. No doubt about that.

What is their fair share? What ever the market will allow. Right now we have hundreds of qualified applicants for every teachers job. That tells me that we are paying too much.


I want teachers to make a good salary. They deserve it. They don't deserve to get a good salary, unrealistic health insurance, a free pension and retire in their mid 50's for working 9 months out of the year.

If we are having trouble finding qualified teachers.... for heavens sake raise the pay. If we have we have a surplus of qualified people waiting to get in the door, lower the pay. It's not that hard.

You mention there are many fights to balancing a budget. Just wait... Walker will get to those as well.

 

That Kool aid sure is strong......LOL!

 

There are hundreds? How many in line for your type of work? For me I bet there are hundreds coming out of college also.

So what's your fair share ? You want teachers and public folks to take a hit for a mess they did not cause. What are you willing to pay out of your pocket?

 

And I agree it is not favorable.

It's clear we view this differently. Which is fine.

But.. I know that govt cannot cut my taxes or their spending no mater what they do.. I live in Illinois.

On the same day my new gov raised my taxes he approved a bill increasing spending. The same day.. and this after the U.S. declared our state the worst in the nation as far as deficit.

If you believe your Walker is going to fix the mess in your state than that's cool with me.

I just sincerely doubt it.

I agree we do need to deal with the budget crisis.. but as a whole country.. not just one state.

Cutting it this way to start is not the answer. It's like smashing an ant with a sledge-hammer.

Cut the fat all around. Do we really have to spend about 750 million a day on the military?

Do we really have to give about 11 billion to the Pakistan govt every year?

Does it really cost 130 million to redecorate our capital building?

Maybe we should rethink lighting up the capital building for the Packers Super Bowl run... or was that free for the taxpayers?

Bottom line.. as history shows is tariffs pay off deficits. Bring them back I say. It promotes competition and better products within our markets while stimulating the economy and does all this while... you guessed it... paying off our debts.

You cannot pay them off the way we're doing it now. Taxing me and you more and more and them spending more and more.

 

Yep and cutting taxes and spending more is not working either.

Both parties suck, which one sucks worse? I don't know

 

My understanding there is typically hundreds of applicants for Teachers jobs in Wisconsin. My source? The radio. I hope you are not saying there are not enough qualified applicants to replace the teachers that don't want to work for "fair" compensation that the market should dictate.

 

Both sides do suck Germ.

Watching CNN or Fox is a mind-numbing experience. How anyone can buy that crap they shovel is beyond me. They both essentially do the same thing anyway and kiss big business arse.

Of course they have to.. that's how you get elected. If it takes 200 million to run for an office that pays $400,000 a year than you had to kiss a LOT of arse. You owe favors period.

And the truth is.. there is more than just the 2 parties in Washington. (But thats a whole different conversation).

Come join my party Germ. It's been dead for about 200 years but its principles live on. Heck.. you even have a signature quoted from the very man who started it.

Bring back the democratic-Republicans!! (shaking fist!)

 

That's true for just about every state, but Tenn the seem to have a shortage. We in America tend to pay teachers less. The best country for teaching has almost the same length school year and unions. Difference is the pay their teachers more then us. The treat their teachers on the same level as doctors. My wife has as much schooling as a doctor. Opening teaching up to the fair market might not lower cost. It would be a good thing as schools try to hire the teachers.

It would be interesting.

 

Sure thing duke, but I am afraid the sheep out number us.

 

Illinois put off the budget problems again and as Wisconsin has done for years. Illinois time is coming. You guys are just not dealing with it yet. Wisconsin is trying to deal with it now.

For better or for worse, Walker believes in the same things I do. He is the first politician in a long time I believe in. He doesn't sell out, which is a big plus for me. He campaigns during the elections and actually does what he says. Another big plus. He is not blowing hot air. He means business. He won't be influenced but these demonstrations. He knows what he believes. If you don't like his ideology then vote for someone else is his motto.

You gotta start somewhere. I sure as heck didn't vote for Obama so at least someone I believe in is running my state. The federal budget is a big concern for me as well.

If we don't cut what should we do? Raising taxes sure isn't an option.

Probably not.

Defiantly not. (Foreign aid is something I fully support cutting)

Not sure if someone actually spent this.... but no. It's time to cut everything non essential. I know Walker is going to put the Kabosh on crap like this. This is what he does.

Again, yes let's cut it.

I guess I'm not up on this enough to comment.

Yup.

 

If someone believes in something and identifies with a politician what makes them sheep?

 

Because most people don't really even know what their political party stands for.. they just follow it because they were told to.. or they think its what they stand for.

 

I see. Well for the record I don't belong to any political party.

I am neither democrat or Republican. I am conservative. It just so happens the Republicans are typically closer to my beliefs than the democrats.

Scott Walker legislates from a very conservative standpoint and that is why I back him so strongly. As I stated before, I've been following SW since around 2004.

 

Being a sheep has nothing to do with supporting a politician or his views.

I happen to enjoy this thread with you. We agree on many issues.

Spending most be cut
Public employees are going to feel some pain
We the public have to hold our elected officials accountable.

Where we disagree is in walker tatics. He needs to bring the state together. It can be done.

I am an independent these days, I try to look at the big picture. A year ago was I for pre-existing conditions, he'll no, was I for any tax cut, he'll yes. What happen was I Ieft the pasture and woke up. We have serious problems and we all need to work together to fix them. No one party is going to fix this mess. They both caused it.