Union strikes

Joe I have a 3.5 yr old and a 10 month old. I support this bill.

Why? Schools and governments in general need to learn how to do more with less.

 

There's the old jeff again. Typical Limbaugh sheep, just cut taxes, if you cannot pay for them who cares. If the inflate the budget who cares. We cut taxes yeah

Lol

 

And then there’s this: “Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).”

What’s that about? The state of Wisconsin owns a number of plants supplying heating, cooling, and electricity to state-run facilities (like the University of Wisconsin). The language in the budget bill would, in effect, let the governor privatize any or all of these facilities at whim. Not only that, he could sell them, without taking bids, to anyone he chooses. And note that any such sale would, by definition, be “considered to be in the public interest.”

If this sounds to you like a perfect setup for cronyism and profiteering — remember those missing billions in Iraq? — you’re not alone. Indeed, there are enough suspicious minds out there that Koch Industries, owned by the billionaire brothers who are playing such a large role in Mr. Walker’s anti-union push, felt compelled to issue a denial that it’s interested in purchasing any of those power plants. Are you reassured?


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Based on your posting (and life) history, I wouldn't expect you to understand, Gary.

If you want me to hire someone.....do you tax me, more or less? If you tax me more.....and I shut my doors.....what's that do for your bottom line? If I hire someone and they pay payroll/income taxes....does that help the state? What about the taxes on the goods and services they purchase with their wages?

Quote me some more Cass!

 

We had Jim Doyle for Gov before Walker and had a terrible deficit that he put off for many years. Just borrow borrow borrow.... He is "tax and spend" as you get. Guess that did not fix it.

 

Yeah you know my life history. You know diddle.

 

I 100 percent agree. Cutting taxes and increasing spending has not worked either.

 

I know how many times I've seen you come here and pronounce your pro-union views. I know you're a fiscal liberal who favors obamacare (or ANY heathcare system that's so 'fair' that it forces ins. co's to cover pre-existing conditions).

I don't really have to guess. These are things you readily type up all the time.

 

Too funny

 

I think you meant raising taxes and increasing spending.

 

Funny's not the word I'd use. But, Is there anything not true? We do have the search function. Choose your answers wisely.

 

Please tell me you are smarter than this statement. You are making your statement based on one non-partisan poll of 1,000 people around the United States for one day with no data to back up who they are. Anyone who has been in a statistical analysis class can tell you that this poll will have a theoretical margin of error of + or - 4%; however, there is no account of political affiliation or work affiliation. With that being said the only people that count are the residents of WI. If the residents of WI are in favor one way or another it means a lot more than what the country thinks as the WI taxpayers are covering the taxes primarily used to cover said cuts.

The links I posted had valid and not so valid sources for polling. As you can see in the links the numbers are all over the board. To make a blanket statement that 61% of Americans are against Governor Walker is beyond Naive. I have no dog in this fight as I do not live in WI. The truth is that WI will pass this bill and other states are likely to follow. If 61% of Americans supported Unions we would have a higher Union Labor force than the 12.6% we currently have and shrinking.

 

Ahhh.. America.. it's a funny place.

We spend about 750 million dollars a day to run our military and yet scoff when educator's ask more money so Art and Gym don't get cut from schools.

I guess we just like to blow stuff up.

My take on Unions. And I don't belong to one. They are not bad things and they do speak for everyone who will ever work in there life... even those who don't belong. They will never be obsolete.. but if they one day do vanish have no fear they will only reappear again.. as history repeats itself.

What's happening in Wisconsin is a shame.

The republican governor wants to end collective-bargaining and if I was in that union I'd strike too. I always loathed big government. I don't think it can get any bigger than this measure alone.

And.. even though I often a dismiss the democrat party I got hand it to them.. staying out of state is the BEST solution. It's democracy at its purest form. And I applaud them.

In a true republic the Senate has the power.. not the governor or the president.. they are simply diplomats who's job is to compromise through diplomacy.. to get the two sides to agree. Great diplomats are great leaders. It's clear Wisconsin's gov is not a very good leader.

Simply stating its my way or the highway is wrong for any elected official to state.. and in my opinion the greatest blame should be on him. You are not a king gov Walker.. in fact what I hear about you from some of my closest Wisconsin friends is you're barely a governor.

Trimming the fat in spending is fine.. but there are about 1000 other ways to do it. Taking it out on an already fragile American school system is counter-productive.

It seems the reasons why this topic has struck the American chord is taxes really.. not even Unions.

But Americans should realize that THE only way to pay back the deficit when the federal government caters to BIG business and eliminates protective tariffs is to raise taxes. So in the end.. no one wins.. except big business.

You want to end the suffering of high tax rates.. you must ask your elected official where they are going to get the money to pay for everything. He likely will not answer.. since he knows what the only answer is.

So.. deep down we discuss unions.. but in reality this is all about taxes.

YOU'RE going to get taxed either way.. whether the teachers union wins or loses. But if they lose.. every American will lose a little piece of their own freedoms.

That's all I have to say on this.

 

Your basing stuff that matters on an article written by someone only using a first name?????Now that is a reliable source, are you going to post something from the Huffington Post next???

 

PLEASE elaborate on this.

 

Mr. Michaels. You must read Yahoo too much.


WALKER'S BILL DOESN'T NOT PROPOSE TO END COLLECTIVE BARGAINING!!!!!! How many times does this need to be posted. Good grief.

The bill limits what the the union can bargain on. There will still be a union and they will still bargain for wages.

 

No if you cut taxes and increase spending what happens? The deficit grows, unless the tax cut is big enough to grow the local and states tax rev base. You are correct 100 percent correct on spending, but where both parties fail is in the cutting phase.

Tax more spend more then what comes in.

Cut taxes and spend more that comes in is the same result.

It's what we have done forever.

 

Collective bargaining is a process of negotiations between employers and the representatives of a unit of employees aimed at reaching agreements which regulate working conditions. Collective agreements usually set out wage scales, working hours, training, health and safety, overtime, grievance mechanisms and rights to participate in workplace or company affairs.[1]

Perhaps end was a strong word. But limiting my bargaining rights in any way would piss me off too.

And.. likely yours as well.

 

If you want to debate healthcare start a thread, same thing on taxes.

I support covering pre-existing conditions coverage, like I said start a thread on Obama-care, I actually researched the bill. Just today I said I wanted it repealed. Do a search.

 

No need for common sense here move along