Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman ....

So an innocent kid died because he was pissed. I need a spinning

The spin was about the mom hiding in the bathroom comment.

Doug well no comment, but I did get a good laugh.

 

I took a spinning class once........

 

Looking at the lacerations to the back of GZ's head, and the report that he was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head, I'm having a hard time with you calling him an "innocent kid." A young man assaulting another man was shot seems more appropriate.

You seem to be fixated on GZ doing something wrong, when what he sounds like he was doing was looking out for his neighbors, and trying to keep his neighborhood safe.

Let's focus on Trayvon, and ask the hypothetical question "Why did he run???" If you have nothing to hide, then you have no reason to run, correct??? According to reports, other than the gunshot wound, Trayvon had no other marks on him, so that SHOULD lead you to believe that Trayvon initiated the fight.

So again, as asked earlier, at what point would you have pulled a gun and used it if you'd have caught those kids a few years ago and they took task to beating the snot out of you, and then one of them started to smash your head into a curb???

 

That's far from a spin. That is a factual event that happened to his neighbor not long before the shooting. Just one of the many crimes/robberies that happened almost daily there. All of which contributed to the frustration/fear of the non-criminals in the community and to the need for a community watch. Unlike you, I think I'll wait for the trial and for some actual evidence to come out before I decide who was innocent and who was guilty and of what.

 

I like beans.....

 

So I guess being frustrated with other events that happen gives someone the right to handle the next situation, that's good logic. Please you have already made your mind up, it's obvious New. Don't try and play "I'll just wait" card.

Yes my mind is made up, he's a moron for getting of car and not following protocol. After reading your article you posted he seemed to be a pissed of moron who was not going take those people in his neighborhood anymore. He was going to handle it.
Doug I have no idea why a kid being followed by a stranger at night, in a bad neighborhood would run

 

I'd say re-read the thread but what's the point. I've been saying wait for evidence the whole thread, you've been saying he's a moron. If you are saying you don't understand how the situation there could have influenced the outcome of that night I don't know what else to say and if that's all you took from the article it's only because that's all you wanted to take from it. I never said any of that gave him the right to do anything I just said that as a human being living in a neighborhood I can understand with all things considered that something like this could happen and again for the record you have no idea if he "handled" the situation or if he defended himself from attack...just like 30 pages ago. Also, being a moron and not following "protocol" (aka WWGD) is still not a crime.

 

Yes you state you would wait, but what you post shows your cards new, it's fine. It's been a good discussion and I have enjoyed it. It's pretty obvious where you stand, nothing wrong with it either.

Being a moron and being wrong Zimmerman needs to pay a price, Trayvon paid his price for his choices that night. I do not think he made the correct ones either.

IMO you don't get to be wrong, not follow protocol, get yourself in a bad situation where the outcome goes bad, and then point at the other guy and state it was his fault. It just does not fly.

Yes I understand where they lived, I get all that, I have been there myself for a year of my life. I understand Zimmerman being frustrated, and I stated it's not murder 2 either IMO. Nor do I think there is enough evidence to charge him for anything.

There are two sides, it appears most just want to see one side on either side.

Yes the last two paragraphs of the article you posted stuck with me, because it says a lot about Zimmermans state of mind that night.

 

Yes I don't think he should have been tried in the court of public opinion. Yes I think the media massacred this story and successfully fanned the race hate flames. Yes I think the legal system should run it's course. Yes I think he is innocent until proven guilty. Jist of my argument there, what is it you believe my "cards" have shown? Never mind....I yield.

 

That is so very nicely stated

If he's found guilty will see how many innocent until proven guys stick to that claim, because talk is cheap. My guess is you will see immediate back stroking by some on how unfair the trial was.

 

Gary, better yet is.... I have no idea why if Martin lost Zimmerman, he'd come back and assault him!!! Ideas why he'd run??? Try to avoid police, get rid of his stash of herbs, bait GZ in, and then mug him and steal his money, maybe just for kicks he might run, but why did he come back after GZ and assault him??? The evidence points to Martin assaulting GZ, and GZ thought Martin was reaching for his gun, but maybe Martin was trying to get his wallet???

Help me out then what do you think??? In all honesty, I think IF he was assaulted by Martin, and what has been released as far as the bloodied nose, and the lacerations to the back of his head are indeed real, he acted in self-defense as appropriate according to U.S. Law (not even in need of the Florida "Stand Your Ground Law"), and cannot or should not have been charged. I could think up a million ideas why Martin may have run but none of them have anything to do with him being afraid specifically of Zimmerman, more to do with trying to stay out of trouble or messing with someone. But at the point he takes off running, he obviously incites suspicion, even if GZ wasn't suspicious of him in the first place, when you have someone take of running like that, it automatically creates suspicion in MOST people.

Were I to have been in the same situation as GZ, on the ground with my head having been smashed on a curb, and I had a weapon on me, I can assure you that I'd have probably emptied the clip to protect my brain from being damaged, and I think MOST people would likewise do the same thing.

As far as taking chase, I'm not sure if I'd take chase or not, more because I have bad ankles and don't want to blow them up again, but if I thought he was that suspicious that he may be off to break into someone's house to hideout or something, my mind might override my initial thought to protect my ankles...

 

I can't wait for hunting season.

 

Does anyone read Doug's post? I have skimmed through them, but now I just cannot do it

 

Now you're hurting my feelings..... I actually read yours...

 

Ok I'll read it

 

No matter what the outcome of this case is. The news media will have a field day with it. I have not seen much about what is giong on over seas since this has happen. Funny how the NAACP had to get involved in this they just want to stir up the race issue when ever they can. It really sucks no matter what the outcome 1 person is dead and the others life is changed forever!

 

So...guilty or not? It's been a while.

 

I swear, I am not paying Fletch to keep this alive! :D

 

Fletch get a life

He's innocent until proven guilty, unless he walks down a street in the rain, at night, wearing a hoodie, walking slow and eating skittles. Then he's guilty of something, I will just need to run him down and find out

 

If Zimmerman was a bowhunter, do you think he would shoot the Rage?