Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman ....

Where did I say he made it up? What I ask was to look at it from the kid, teen, child or young mans POV who is being followed in the dark by a person.

 

But you keep ignoring Zimmerman's POV.... He's the "captain" of the neighborhood crime watch, and people respect him and look up to him for volunteering to be that person in their neighborhood. He's just checking someone out who seems out of place. And for his efforts, he gets assaulted, and in response to that assault, in efforts to protect himself from further injury, he does what a RESPONSIBLE CCW carrier does and uses his weapon to defend himself, thereby potentially saving his life, and ending that of his assailant... Again, if Martin had been a 30-something yr. old anything but BLACK person, the reported story would have been about a guy who was legally carrying, and because he was legally carrying in accordance with the CCW laws was able to defend himself against an assault.... Sadly, it's reported that a WHITE guy killed an unarmed BLACK GUY, when in reality, a HISPANIC (Zimmerman list himself as "Hispanic" on his voter registration) guy defended himself LEGALLY against the attack from a BLACK GUY who was assaulting him!!! Then you get Jesse and Al and all the hypocrites showing up with years old pictures of some kid who's grown far past the innocent, sweet-looking, young teen/pre-teen, vs. who really was shot that night.

How many times have we said, if only someone had had a gun, when..... (pick the time, be it at the McDonald's years ago when all the people got shot up, or at Virginia Tech, or at that school in California just this past week) ??? Well, this is one of those instances, and rather than recognize that because he DID have a gun, he was able to defend himself, he's being labelled a racist, and basically has been forced to live his life in secrecy merely because he defended himself. And haven't you gotten the message??? The gun control people are all over this, and for all the wrong reasons. For them, it's a win, because the media planted a major seed of doubt, and now iit becomes even deeper than a guy with a LEGAL CCW, defending himself, to an attack on the CCW, the "stand your ground law," the "castle doctrine," etc, because they are trying to take it there.... NBC should lose MILLIONS for their "clever" or maybe "not-so-clever" editting, both in damages to Zimmerman and his family, and in fines from the FCC for irresponsible reporting...

 

I get that I just think that following someone is not against the law and if you are being followed that doesn't mean you can attack them.

 

The POLICE REPORT for those who'd like to read it....

http://mit.zenfs.com/102/2012/04/69081607-29132322.pdf

Makes it a pretty open and shut case...

 

Trayvon does not know he's the captain

Trayvon does not know his attentions either, that's the point. I can see it happing just like Zimmerman stated and ending just the way it did, but I don't see Trayvon being in the wrong if he felt he was under attack. Does Trayvon not have the right to protect himself also? It appears to some here he does not.

It's why you do not confront someone with a gun in these types of situations. He may have been defending himself, but to the others persons POV he may have felt he's being attacked/threaten.

I can see it going down just like Zimmerman said, at the point Trayvon ask him why he was following him, Zimmerman stated he reached for his phone. If Trayvon took that as reaching for his gun, I can see him punching him in the nose and seeing him beat on him until he feels safe. I can also see Zimmerman thinking why the hell is this guy beating me up, I need to protect myself.

The point will always be you do not approach someone with a gun in these types of situations, because actions can be perceived as hostile, when if fact they were not.

I can tell you if any neighborhood watch captain confronted one my kids with a gun walking down the street, we would have an issue.

Some just want to look at it from just one view point, the gun owners.

No it does not at all.

 

And the question is did he attack or was he defending himself from his POV, you nor I know.

 

To me it makes things quite apparent that one man was a victim of an assault, and the assailant got shot for assaulting the victim. And it is PRECISELY the reason people often times got to get their CCW, so they can protect themselves and/or others in the event of violent crimes occurring...

Granted, I'd probably take a beating before shooting someone, but I used to be of the mindset, that NO ONE will ever beat me so bad that I can't somehow overcome them and win.... Probably not the smartest mindset, but it was the one I grew up with for a long time, and I've rendered many people incapable of harming me with a couple "neato" little moves, including one about a month or so ago, even with only about 60-70% use of my "good arm," but it's all about technique, not strength. I WON'T ever headbutt anyone again now that I have hardware in my neck, so that took away that part of the repertoire, but I'm still pretty capable with the rest of my body, and utilizing joint locks where the person locked up gets a choice to keep using that joint in a normal way the rest of their life or fight it and lose the normal function they once had... Most sane people opt to keep using the joint, I've only ever encountered one dumbass who opted for choice number 2, and I just reversed it to lock him up in another way vs. blow his elbow, because I knew him, and knew when sober he'd feel bad about being a dumbass....

 

There is no POV interpretation required. You can think someone is following you, you can think you may be in danger, but it's not until you are actually attacked that you would be defending yourself. "Oh look that guys following me I need to defend myself does not fly." Defend yourself from what? A person following you or an attack, only one of the two is considered legal as far as I know.

 

Gotta love how the media edits tapes to make someone look guilty while getting the masses riled up

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/04/04/nbc-issues-apology-on-zimmerman-tape-doctoring/

 

So you have to wait to the pull the gun and point it at you, Brilliant

 

Gary, you're liberal side is showing, please cover it up..... :D

From the evidence that is KNOWN, it would seem that Trayvon Martin assaulted George Zimmerman, and George Zimmerman in self defense shot Trayvon Martin, thus ending the assault, and the assailant's life. Sadly, what it's been turned into is a MEDIA CIRCUS, when it really shouldn't have been. From the first report on it, it was turned into a racial thing because a "White Man Shot an UNARMED Black Teenager!!!" Instead of an HONEST report, that a "Hispanic Man, with his CCW license and Weapon on him successfully defended himself against the attack from a Black Male, who was reportedly wandering around suspiciously in his (Zimmerman's) gated neighborhood."

If the initial reports had TRUTHFULLY indicated that George Zimmerman was found by police "bleeding from his nose and the back of his head, with his back wet and covered with grass," and "admitted to shooting the man when he during the assault, went for his gun," then there wouldn''t have been all this uproar. If a man is being beaten, by another man, and uses his weapon which he is LEGALLY carrying to kill the assailant, in order to STOP the assault, because he fears he may be beat to death, he's completely within his rights under the "Self Preservation Law," and the "Stand your ground law," really has no need to be applied.

Gary, you've swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker, because in you're heart you want to help these people overcomes the societal wrongs they've claimed have been lain on them, when the exact opposite is true. We developed affirmative action to help them, we have special scholarships to help them, we've changed much of our society to be more accepting and in some cases even made the bargaining table uneven in their favor, but at some point, they must help themselves. Just like a drug addict, or alcoholic must take the first step and admit there is a problem and desire the help, the black community rather than point the finger needs to want to help itself. Why wasn't Trayvon at his Mother's where he attended school on a Sunday night which would have been a SCHOOL NIGHT??? Was it because he was suspended from school again, for the 3rd time this year??? If so, then Trayvon was misplaced already because of his wrong-doing at school, and had he behaved appropriately he'd have been at his MOTHER's, and been going to school on Monday morning rather than laying in a morgue. Remember, he's over 3 hours from his home on a school night, for a reason correct???

Don't get me wrong, I am not a racist, and don't dislike blacks, by any means, but I DO dislike when race is injected into something when it needn't be, and this is just one such situation. If the FACTS of the case were revealed initially, and there was RESPONSIBLE MEDIA reporting, this hoopla would have NEVER existed, and it shows that some of our "Civil Rights" leaders are indeed "UNCIVIL" people, with an agenda....

 

Well at that point you would be under attack. The other side of the coin is you could just beat the crap out of anybody who ever followed you, looked at you funny, knocked on your door, asked you for directions, etc. Wonder how that would work out.

 

The point is they pretty both made a bad judgement call, and one paid with is life. The other life is pretty much ruined.

I really don't give a rats *** about liberal, conservative, whip, libertrian or any other party who are sheep.

So it appears you wrote a lot here, you lost me on the first line

 

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-4-2012/racist-time-out

 

:rofl: ... hilarious!

 

It's a shame a fake news show does a better job than any of the news shows

 

Worth reading:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323691134926300.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

So ... interesting turn of events ...Zimmerman MIA .... HMMMMMM

 

And his lawyers quit, but he does have a webpage up asking for some cash. I am sure all his supports will donate to help this guy out.

How much of a tool does one have to be for their lawyers to quit?

 

Do you guys even read the articles?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...MGGcBw?docId=01d13e13504949afbe6ef32f464bd1d6

He has been and still is in hiding, for many reasons I'm sure. They didn't quit because of the case they said they haven't had contact with him. Maybe he can't pay them. You guys thinking you have any idea of what George Zimmerman is going through is laughable just like the way you spin every little story you read on this. I wouldn't be surprised if this thing ended in a suicide.

Supposedly something is coming from the prosecutors office soon.