Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman ....

Read this:

Media coverage of Florida’s self-defense laws in recent weeks has often been very inaccurate. While some persons, particularly from the gun prohibition lobbies, have claimed that the Martin/Zimmerman case shows the danger of Florida’s “Stand your ground” law, that law is legally irrelevant to case. So let’s take a look at what the Florida laws actually say.

Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

So the general rule is that deadly force may be used only to “imminent death or great bodily harm,” or “the imminent commission of a forcible felony.” A person may only use deadly force if he “reasonably believes” that the aforesaid factual conditions exist. These standards are the norm throughout the United States.

Eventually, a grand jury will issue a report based on its investigation. In the meantime, there are two competing narratives. In one narrative, Zimmerman followed Martin, attacked him, and then murdered him. Let’s call this the “M narrative.” In Zimmerman’s account, he followed Martin, caught up with him, and then left; while he was leaving, Martin attacked him, knocked him to the ground, and began slamming his head into the pavement. Let’s call this the “Z narrative.”

I am not making any judgment about which narrative is more plausible. The grand jury will do that. For now, it should be noted that neither the M narrative or the Z narrative has anything to do with a duty to retreat. The retreat issue would only be relevant if Martin were the aggressor, and Z had the opportunity to escape from Martin in complete safety. Then, and only then, would different state standards about retreat be relevant. Simply put, everyone who has claimed that Florida’s retreat rule affect the legal disposition of the controversy is either misinformed or mendacious.

The core Florida law on deadly force in self-defense leads to clear results. If M is true, then Zimmerman’s firing of the gun was a criminal homicide. If Z is true, the act was lawful self-defense. The results would be the same in every other state.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/florida’s-self-defense-laws

 

Common sense would dictate that we dont have a clue what really happened that night. None of us should be slanting this in either direction based on what little information we have and the fact that it is from the media.

You and others have made it very clear that you think he should be arrested and charged with a crime. To "send a message." That really doesnt sound like due process to me. That's my only point. I havent even mentioned anything about gun rights yet. That will be a whole different can of worms.

 

Yes the police office did wipe his hands on his pants. But still were are the rubber gloves? And I've boxed for a while and mixed it up practicing Karate. But I've also been nailed in the face with a kick and a punch and never had my nose broken but I'd bled like a butchered pig.

From an experience stand point a bloody nose runs down over your chest. I've seen hunting videos and worked in a hospital in Jacksonville Florida and seen people come in shot and I'm no expert but there is an awful amount of blood gushes out from an high velocity round hitting someone in the chest and if you hit the heart that's like opening a fire hydrant.

We've seen deer hit with arrows and rifle bullets the principal is the same. Blood will gush out of the wound and he said Trayvon was on top of him when he shot him with his 9mm pistol. Any high velocity round at close range will cause him a lot of damage..

I'm no scientists but we are hunters.

 

Common sense should tell us there is no way the man in the video was in a fight for his life or got pummled.

I will be interesteded in what O'reily says tonight, he's a putz, but he's not a bias putz.

 

For the life of me I can't find your point in the above. Did you read any of the earlier posts? You are interjecting your opinion as if you were there. You have no idea what evidence the investigators have or the exact circumstances when the gun was discharged.

Read this Matlock, it saves me the typing:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...crucified-for-killing-Trayvon-Martin/(page)/2

 

You don't know that....if there was a struggle over that firearm it most certainly was a fight for his life. The fact that one of the people inolved in the fight is dead also seems to show the seriousness of the altercation. It would appear that common sense aint too common.

 

I agree. From that video, it does not look like Zimmerman had just been in a fight or had his head smashed against concrete. The cop does check out the back of his head, and there does appear to be some type of cute on the back of his head. I don't know anymore. I'm not arguing this anymore. I'm done with this story, as I don't really care.

 

The report was about a fight were Zimmerman was hurt, not a struggle for a firearm. But I can see now why the story would change

 

Being a bald man I can say that is some hair growth that has not retreated yet:D

 

Exactly ......

 

This is getting a bit ridiculous...the story hasn't changed. That was his original statement given to the police but hey don't let that stop ya...hell add some more details if it makes you feel better.

http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html

 

Came outta the chicken coop to jump on the bandwagon T? jk

 

Nope .... workin! :D

 

Is Zimmerman being hidden by the PO PO s???

 

Stories have changed

 

Thanks for post.....

 

Agree 100%

 

Zimmermans story and his written statement were the same. You just quoted something his dad said but keep reaching. I have a conversation with you, you then have a converstaion with a reporter or someone else and say that I said this and the other guy said "something to the effect of" this. Then that statement is taken out of the whole "interview" and put in the paper....well now I see....he's guilty. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

No problem, I guess Dad and son have different versions of what happen.

 

How do you not think that Zimmerman's story being different to those he told isn't something of interest? I know the prosecutors will think it is ....