Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman ....

The point was the position he held and the gun he was allowed to patrol with ...

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I believe Tony was questioning why Zimmerman was allowed to carry a gun, based on his past issues with violence.

 

I understand that. But he was never CONVICTED of any crime. Being charged and being convicted are not even close.

 

I have approached strangers in my neighborhood and asked them if I could help them find someone or what their business was there. They have the right to ignore me, and I have the right to ask. More often than not, they will politely answer and sometimes they will actually ask for information. IF, I did that and someone took offense to it and began beating me to the point that I felt like my life was in danger, I may do whatever it took to avoid losing my life. My states laws would allow for that. IF and I put a large amount of emphasis on IF, that is remotely similar to this case, I would suggest that those of you that want to string Zimmerman up by his neck already would likely be arresting an innocent man. At this point, we dont know. For that reason I would suggest that anyone that has already made up their mind that he should be arrested, or conversely, cleared of any guilt, should reserve that judgement. You simply have nothing concrete on which to make such claims. Tony, as much as I can appreciate your passion for this case, you can no more claim Zimmerman's guilt in this case than you can his innocence. None of us can. The point is, even IF Zimmerman was in fact racial profiling, and following the boy, and had a history of paranoia, he is innocent if the young man made the first physical attack and continued attacking to the point of threatening Zimmermans life. Ofcourse, at this point, we have no way of knowing the course of events. Therefore, we simply have NO WAY of knowing Zimmerman's degree of guilt or innocence. Period.

 

^ Very well said.




(but I can't resist asking..... "but what if he had a 30rd magazine??")

 

Guilty!

 

What is a given is that black on black crime is far more prominent than any other race on black crime. It's not that the "majority of Americans" don't care, but of the groups involved who should care the most? Haven't seen Sharpton or Jackson on TV rallying for and end to black on black violence recently when some gang shootout claims the lives of some young black people or an innocent 6 year old girl on her front porch. Why? Because that won't get them much exposure any more, it doesn't benefit them personally. But if they were true leaders within the black community that topic would never get old or lose it's shine or importance. So who is it that doesn't care? I guess it's easier to blame the majority.

You do realize how it sounds to say that most Americans don't care if black people are killing black people? Why wouldn't the majority care? They don't like black people? They like people being murdered? Yes I'm sure there is some backwards tailed racists somewhere that say "I don't care as long as they kill each other" but you truly think the majority of Americans feel that way?

 

Sorry Christine..........I have decided to follow the flock and will be wearing my Bowhunt or Die hoody tomorrow....

 

I stand corrected. I think Zimmerman is being railroaded. The kid was not the angel they made him out to be in the beginning. They used old pictures of him when he had an angelic smile. Truth is.. he was a pain in the *** kid suspended several times for problems. Zimmermans photos initially were of an arrest many years before. They're spinning it however they want depending on who they are. It's a crock.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting-witnesses/index.html

 

So do you believe it was a bad decision that he followed and confronted this kid? Why do we charge a drunk driver with vehicular manslaughter when they make a bad details vision to drive? At least they are impaired ....

Some of you need to understand that I am not saying what was right or wrong according to Florida law .... I am just saying what common sense would have done and because it wasn't exercised initially by the Vigilante, a young man lies in a grave and his loved ones have lost a piece of them ....

There needs to be a message sent ....

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Why don't we just shoot Zimmerman and everyone can go back to their lives.

 

Driving drunk is against the law....talking to someones isn't. You don't live there...your thoughts on what is common and what makes sense don't even count a little. You keep saying he confronted the kid but there are conflicting reports on if that even happened. Those reports(right or wrong) say TM confronted Zimmerman when he was on his way back to his vehicle.

What message would you send? You have already determined the guy is guilty and you know squat about the case. I'm not saying he is innocent....wait a minute...that is exactly what I'm saying. He is innocent.......until PROVEN guilty.

I'll tell you one thing though, this thread alone will make walk the line even more because I honestly don't think I'd like a jury of my peers if I was on the wrong side of the law.

 

Emotions get in the way of logic far too often. I couldn't agree more.

 

Who cares if the cop was green?! I'm sick of things always ending with "...who happened to be black". It comes down to this: if it was the other way around, and Zimmerman was black and the teen was white, there would be no allegations of racism. Zimmerman may be a lunatic BUT even if that is true he is automatically depicted as a RACIST LUNATIC just because Trayvon was black. If you ask me that's racist to white people.

 

Statistically, more crimes are commited by black males than any other race. So if I lived in a gated community and saw a suspicious (hood up, dark out), unfamiliar (never seen them around before), black person walking around I'd follow them. I'm perfectly comfortable with being labeled as a racist.

Hope we can still talk unbiasly about bowhunting when this case is settled.

 

Watching a video of Zimmerman right now, the night he was question. Not a mark on his face or head, interesting.

His nose is not broke either, and no eye laceration.

There is not a mark on the guy, no way his head was slammed on the pavement.

 

<em>[video]http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475[/video]

Take a look

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

 

At one point the Police Officer looks at the back of his head and it looks like there might be something when he walks away. Is there a video of him that night that shows a closer image that you can actually see?

 

Yes, one of the news shows had a close up, not a mark. There is no way that guy was in a fight for his life. No way in hell.