Kind of going off of Dubbya's thread here. A few made the comment that they don't want no one shooting their wounded animal but they themselves. Do others feel the same way on this? As for myself If I would wound an animal and myself and others were tracking It during daylight condition's I don't care who puts an arrow In It, the main thing Is that we do anything we can to get It. I still feel that animal Is 100% mine, I just needed some assistance from others on my screw up. To be honest I've never heard anyone say "your not shooting my animal" until Dubbya's thread. This Is no rip on anyone, each to their own as we all look at things different. Just curious on responses with this.
There is no right or wrong answers to the ethical issues we debate. However, I agree with you: I would want the other hunter to anchor the animal and then hope to reach a fair agreement on who took the deer.
I am one that thinks it takes something away when someone else has to dispatch it. I wouldn't be able to honestly say it was my kill.
when i still gun hunted - this was regular (shotgun). it went down just like Shultzy mentioned. the important thing was the animal was harvested and not turned into yote dinner ! ( my opinion)
Well put and thought of Steve. I actually thought the same thing when I read some of our fellow hunters responses in that particular thread. What difference could it possibly be if you or another put a second arrow into the animal to help put it down more effectively? So it's NOT ALL yours. Big deal. Is one's own self righteousness worth more than a quick or quicker kill? All I thought to myself was vanity. Only vanity would keep any one person from trying to make the animal ALL their own kill. I think when you're a hunter.. you are responsible for putting the animal down as quickly and humanely as possible. And you're responsible for taking on the meat as well. So if my buddy see's an animal first that I wounded.. you bet your butt he/she better put another arrow into it. Otherwise I risk losing the meat. Then it's just antlers or horns.. and that's not cool. Sorry.. but no if's or butt's about it.. it's called vanity.
Yep, get another arrow in to finish the job, no matter who puts in in there. On my elk hunt, we knew my shot was where it needed to be so we started on the trail immediately as it was getting dark. My buddy spotted the fallen elk in a small group of trees. He said he lifted his head do you want me to put another arrow in him. I immidiately said yeah put him down for good. The elk was hit through both lungs but was still alive so my buddy put another arrow into him. He was dead by the time I made it to him. There was no doubt my shot was lethal but why not do what you can to anchor the animal as quickly as possible.
I've got no problem finishing off someone's animal or someone finishing off my animal, just as long as the person doing the shooting has the proper tag to do so!
Steve, Dubbya's thread said nothing about tracking an animal. Now the ethics police are going by that thread and calling others "Vain". In a tracking situation and a live animal is found, my friends better be putting an arrow into the animal if they are given a shot. That's a given. In Dubbya's scenerio, you shoot, the bull runs and your friend shoots. You nor he has no way to determine how quickly the animal is going to die. What if the liver was hit exiting the guts. Too many scenerios for the name calling I see from these same ethic police who cursed ethic police. In Steves scenerio, my friends better shoot, in Dubbya's no, the animal may still go down rather quickly and no laws are broken. As shed said, the bull may not go far and found as soon as allowed and as iamyourhuckleberry said, you take those lumps as a bowhunter. Oddly this exact scenerio happened to two people I know. They went on the hunt together. Hunter A shot a bull and it ran by Hunter B(who was there with his son), Hunter B shot the bull too. Hunter A gut shot the animal, Hunter B killed it. Hunter B claimed the bull. Hunter A was slighted and now Hunter A and B are not talking. Shame it is.
I agree whole-heartedly, Steve. I'd do it, if need be. And I would hope for the same from my hunting companions.
Assumed. What if the first shot was NOT lethal? In that scenerio, the second shooter killed the bull, illegally. I said in that thread, if you shot and it came by me. I wouldn't be shooting. So I'm vain? If my animal came by you, I would not want you to shoot. So I'm vain? If we were tracking an animal, I'd want anyone who could get a shot take the shot. TWO Totally different scenarios. Yup, knowing these people I'd say that is spot on.
Ahh.. the looking glass. Contort it.. turn it.. look through it any other way than the way it applies. The way it is. I'm by no means calling any one out. But vanity is this.. being vain or to proud of one self. So.. by only allowing yourself to kill so you can call the animal yours and only yours instead of dispatching it in a timely matter. That's called vanity. That's what it is. I'm a realist.. I know that I too hold vanity in me.. MUCH more than I ever wish to acknowledge sometimes.. but I know.. that's what it is. One can make all the if's and but's about it.. but it holds no water. If your trying to kill an animal so you can have the kill ALL to YOURSELF.. and not trying to use ALL means to do so.. because of your own pride. THAT'S VANITY. I'm sorry Rob if you thought I directed this to you.. I did not. I simply gave a truth that not many wish to hear. But as a realist.. I gave it. And I unfortunately know that I am vain too. We all are.. don't take it personal. But just realize what it is. Call a spade a spade. And ethics police.. ME? HA! I don't care what you or any other hunter does. I just gave it a definition. Like it or not.. it's the truth. I have NEVER called anyone out on what they do. NEVER. I don't really care what any one hunter do
Depends how big the rack is or what his wife looked like, as I would give him a choice of which one he will let me keep!
why cant weeee be friends - why cant weeeee be friends ! gentlemen - geesh but if he....... yeah but if it........ but how bout if it ............... if if if if if if if if if if if if if if lets just hunt eh ?
Damn, now Duke is calling me gay! lol, whatev boys, you can apply all types of what if's.. I'm a vain mofo and proud of it. lol
To me both Dubbya's thread and this one have allot In common (hit animals). If both hunters have legit tags and my animal runs by someone else (lung hit or not) you better be a shooting or your going to get an earful from me!! If my hit turned out not to be a lethal hit and yours did and you then jump my ass on who's animal It belongs to, friends we would never ever be again!! I can't believe people would argue over something like this on who the animal really belongs to. Here's a real life example that happened to me on my 3rd deer (15 years old). I hit a doe fawn high In the shoulder (no lungs). We tracked her for 2 days and had 2 close calls on jumping her but couldn't get an arrow off. 1 day later (3 days after I hit her) my dad gets home from Elk hunting In Colorado and we head back out looking for my deer being dad thinks he knows where she's probably bedded at. Sure enough dad jumped her exactly where he thought she would be bedded. I was 100 yards to the north, the deer ran by my brother at 25 yards running full bore! He got off 3 arrows In about a 10 second stretch, his 1st arrow nailed the lungs, his 2nd hit the head and his 3rd he missed by a mile.:d I came flying over to him happy as hell and he yells "Steve, we got her"!!! Congratulation's he goes!! I couldn't of thanked him enough for the awesome shooting he did. He was 12 years old and there was no doubt In his mind on who that deer belonged to. I still thank him to this day for that deer, he always says you owe me one buddy!! I can't wait to repay the favor back If the time comes. In scenarios like this one or Dubbya's, most likely If there's another hunter Involved It's your hunting buddy and dammit that's what hunting buddy's are there for, to help out legally.
One hard hunting season about 10 yars ago a buddy and I were shotgun hunting in December. We decided to hike in deep to a large grass field on public land. Before we could reach the field I spotted two does in the middle of it, about 60 yards away. I told him to take the doe on the right, I would take the doe on the left. We counted to 3 and fired, he missed and I connected in the guts on one of the does. We split up after we couldn't find the doe and began sight tracking. Well I could see my buddy moving fairly quickly with his shotgun in hand, about 100 yards from the doe. He looked at me and I just waved him on to get to the doe to end the suffering. He is a good man and ended the suffering of that animal. I would not have it any other way, not for me, but for the animal.
