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Toddler burned during No knock warrant.

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by OK/Sooner, May 31, 2014.

  1. chopayne

    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Its called common sense Johnny, that's how you know that when I say drugs im not just talking about solely marijuana. Its called breaking laws, you face the law when you break a law, go ahead and face your accuser, its the law.
     
  2. Johnny ®

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    good grief, I brought up pot once while referencing your asinine post earlier...pot isn't all I've been talking about. (where is your common sense?)
    If I get arrested for possession of heroin, who do I face in court? as my accuser.
     
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    This is a very sad situation. I don't think that anyone would ever want something like this to happen. I think everyone would want to take this back and do it differently.
     
  4. chopayne

    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Johnny. Even though I said it 4 times I will say it again. The law.
     
  5. Johnny ®

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    the law is an inanimate object in the form of paper, how can I call paper to the stand and cross examine?
    so even though I've asked 4 times I'll ask again, who is my accuser that I get to face? (which is also "the law")
     
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    I'm pretty sure you should stay away from the deep end of the pool.
     
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    Drowning is inevitable it seems....
     
  8. chopayne

    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Done with this guy. He should move to an island.

    Guessing if he isn't 14, he's still in his teens and has no real world experience
     
  9. Johnny ®

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    why? have you ever read the constitution? do you know the difference between a "crime" and a "tort"?
    you might be the one who should stay out of the deep end.
     
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    nice dodge, with insults no less.
     
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    Idiots that read a law book and learn a couple of latin words…..are still just idiots. And Marc Stevens is proof of that. lol
     
  13. Slugger

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    Seems someone dropped the ball on getting a good recon done.
     
  14. Johnny ®

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    name calling really helps your argument, thanks.
    how can law enforcement enforce the law when they don't know the law? make it up as they go, that sounds like the definition of a free country to me.
     
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    I'm sure there are some out there thay are. Wasnt knocking any of the departments but you take a officer from where I live and throw him in Chicago and he'd, or she I guess, would be at big disadvantage.
     
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    That's an easy one. Your accuser will be the victim, which in a criminal case would be society, aka, the people. The people would be represented by the prosecutor.
     
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    A parent who puts their children in a drug house and in harms way and the people on here that defend that is sickening. Had the parents not put the crib in front of the front door and not had their children (notice the plural there?) in a drug house, this would not have happened. The responsibility lies squarely on their shoulders. The mother admitted to police that she knew what was going on. She told them they hid during the day when drug deals went down to be safe. The no knock warrant at 3:00 AM was to catch the criminal at his most vulnerable time and for officer safety. The dealer was doing his trade with no consideration for his nieces and nephews. Methamphetamine is not only a dangerous drug, but also destroying lives all over the world. Department of Justice numbers showing abuse while on meth are astronomical. Yet you want to blame the police? For what? Was it the fact that they wanted to get a dealer of dangerous drugs that destroy lives off the street? Was it because they wanted to get a violent criminal off the streets? If criminals did not break the law, there would not be a reason for this type of tragedy to happen. Instead of blindly attacking the law enforcement officials, how about going through the academy, putting on the uniform and putting your life on the line while trying to affect change instead of sitting back with no clue and criticizing the wrong side in this event.
     
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    Criminal charges for the commanding officer? You have got to be kidding me. You need to get out of that little bubble you live in. It's very unfortunate what happen to that child and I'm sure everyone that had anything to do with that raid feels terrible about it. The criminals need punished and the cops are the ones who do that. They need all the support they can get.
     
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    I like how you think and also thank you for an answer to my question, however you are wrong, a person cannot call the prosecutor to the stand to cross, you can only force then to answer questions through various motions filed before trial...which is where alot of things are settled.
    also you reminded me of something, if the prosecutor is paid by the county (which they are) and the judge aswell as the clerk can a person even have a "fair" trial in such a case where there is no victim?

    my questions are only to get some to think about freedom not that I'm going to change everybody's mind but maybe open some eyes, and to the guys that are clearly LEO's, you swore an oath, right, to uphold the constitution, all of it not just the parts you like...I can only hope you think about that before violating someones rights and if you are going to enforce the law you should know it, knowledge is power!
     
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    J - The district attorney AND judges are elected officials which means that they have no affiliation with each other outside the court room. The police collect the evidence and make the arrests. The prosecutor decides whether or not to take the charges to court. The judge rules on motions and sometimes acts as the jury also (but only when the defense requests no jury). Sounds like you have an axe to grind. If you do you cannot get others to open their eyes while yours are shut tight.
     

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