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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Wiscohunter, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Wiscohunter

    Wiscohunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I'll admit NOBODY was more skeptical when it was announced that Tillerson would be appointed Secretary of State than me. But he's done a terrific job. Especially considering half his time is spent cleaning up after his boss. So, why is trump going let Tillerson go? It's also rumored that if Tillerson gets the boot that Mattis will walk. So, the two people responsible for keeping trump from completely spiraling out of control would be gone just so trump can appoint some lap dogs that will jump at his every command?
     
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    With all the speculation it is obvious there are several leaks, and the media runs with it.
     
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    Tillerson is actually one of the few I like, my guess is he has common sense, he's smart and he acts like an adult, so he must go.
     
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    You do have to be careful when you hear the media report something. There is always an agenda with it these days.
     
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    Listening to the mainstream media to provide information about the current administration is like listening to a vegans advice on how to grill a steak.
     
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    If I could "like" a post multiple times you would have gotten 100. The news of Tillerson's departure and reports that the White House is publicly considering moving the embassy in Israel to Tel Aviv is no coincidence.

    Tillerson is a globalist hack. He's also a social progressive. I never understood his pick and other than Flynn there was no cabinet pick I was more suspicious of and ultimately disappointed in; although McMaster is a close third. I hope McMaster follows Tillerson out the door...

    Notice the common thread here- the most "dangerous" and disappointing Trump campaign/cabinet associates are all Dems, Obama holdovers, and/or Progs- Manafort, Flynn, Tillerson, and McMaster.

    I suspect if the GOP can pull its head out of its rear end for 5 minutes today and pass the tax bill which then leads to a budget (or at least another CR) then there will be a whole-sale purge of any cabinet level globalist hacks after the first of the year.
     
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    Personally, if they aren't going to nix the IRS completely along with taxes...I'd just as soon they leave the tax code alone completely. Politicians are going to do nothing to the tax code but rape John Q harder and twice as often. These hacks are not going to limit their source of power and wealth just like they will never approve term limits.
    Anything they do to the tax code is only going to amount to the highest tax increase in history, all the while they will tell us they are doing us a favor. It doesn't matter which party it is. The only difference is the Democrats will tell you they are increasing the taxes while the Republicans will say they are cutting taxes but at the same time just rename the same old crap that costs a lot more. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
     
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    ^^^^^^ Spot on!!!!
     
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    Flynn just flipped on Trump campaign, what a circus
     
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    I agree with you 100% on the IRS; but how is lowering federal rates across the board, increasing exemption levels, and eliminating the death tax going to raise taxes? I suspect you are conflating "taxes" as both state/local and federal taxes. The elimination (more likely reduction) of state/local/property tax deductions will cause some people to end up having an increased total tax burden- but that's the fault of the localities -NOT- the federal government.

    Your state and local taxes are not (or should not be) the concern of our shared federal representation. Those of us who live in effed up states like me should not expect well run states to subsidize my state's idiotic oppressive corrupt criminal bureaucracy. That's Federalism at its core. Texans should not have to pay for New Jersey's debt. If I in Illinois and someone making the same pay in Indiana pay exactly the same federal income tax rate but I pay 3x as much in property and 2x as much in state and local income taxes then how is it "fair" that I get a bigger exemption from the Feds? To make up the difference the Feds are forced to charge a larger percentage across the board. That's BS and inherently unfair. It is de facto taxation without representation and was the primary cause for the Revolutionary War.

    It's my shared responsibility as a resident of Illinois to vote for better local representation and more fiscally responsible state and local tax code; not expect other state residents to pay a higher federal income tax rate to subsidize these kleptocrats running mine.

    Eliminate SALT deductions and watch how quick almost every state turns red next election time.

    Again, I say this knowing full well that I stand to take a hard kick in the nuts over this...until I vote with my feet and move, which is in my near future.
     
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    He (reportedly) flipped on a member of the Trump transition team; which is a different thing entirely. He also plead guilty to lying to the Feebs about his foreign contacts during the transition (not during the election) which is what he was fired for in the first place (lying to Pence about his foreign contacts.)

    As far as I know it's not illegal for a transition team to contact a foreign rep and ask them not to overreact to the outgoing admin's policies which would not mirror the incomings' policies. And let's not forget this gem:

     
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    I would support across the board spending cuts, for this reason. We have only went into more debt when we cut taxes, if anyone truly cares about the national debt they would opposed this tax cut, which really only benefits very few. We have never cut taxes and then had a balanced budget, that's just a fact.
     
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    It was expected before Trump even took office that he would make changes in the cabinet more than typical. It is the business man in him, not everybody is good or knows everything. Use somebody and when situations change find somebody that better fits the current situation.

    What trump needs to get rid of is the stupid special investigation. All this time and money looking for collusion and all they have come away with is some tax violations and failure to properly disclose.
     
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    I say screw it, we haven't collected enough tax to cover government spending as far back as I can remember so clearly government doesn't care about having the money to cover what they spend so just get rid of taxes all together and "borrow" everything.
     
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    There are places that don't have any taxes, perhaps they would suit you better:)
     
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    You are being myopic- the rate cuts may only benefit a small percentage (I disagree; but for the sake of argument) in the short term, but by "nudging" people in crappy states to vote for more fiscally responsible policies it benefits more people across the board. You are also neglecting to recognize the fact that the re-patriation of approximately $4 trillion in capital would make the economy roar like never before. Take the exponentially high employment demands; deport about 5 million illegal low wage job takers, add a little welfare reform, increase the tax base and watch the debt collapse.

    But you are 100% right on across the board spending cuts.:usa:

    Thus ends today's lesson in Econ 101. I have to go to work now.
     
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    Sounds great and will never happen, LOL Because will go to war with someone and wars are expensive:(
     
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    Wars really don’t cost us much at the time. We have already paid for most of the next war or two already. It’s just ongoing expense to prepared for the future.



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    That's funny and not funny at the same time
     
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