The Zimmerman trial

Approaching a suspicious individual.....knowing that it could result in a conflict with a loaded gun in your pocket AFTER you have already alerted authorities is indeed playing hero....im sure not one neighborhood watch group encourages members to engage or approach a target


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Good point was he walking through yards to evade Mr. Martin? Again we don't know.

Does anyone think Zimmerman gets out of his car without the gun?

 

Of course not, if he had, do you think Mr Martin would be on trial for murder?

 

And that's what frustrates me, a CCW is not a permit to act differently when you are carrying a weapon. You act exactly the same, it's for protection of your family. Part of protecting your family is protecting yourself and not putting yourself in harms way.

So while all you talk about what you would do, you don't know, talk is cheap. I can tell you I let Mr. Martin walk down the street, yard or whatever and call the cops and go back to my home and family alive. Why would I want to put myself in a situation where I could get hurt, die or end up in a mess like Mr. Zimmerman.

 

Exactly


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Maybe Zimmerman felt a sense of duty to his neighborhood? I don't know. I just find that the entire "it could have been prevented" debate to be irrelevant.

 

Maybe Mr. Martin felt a sense of duty to his.

 

He is not on trial for being a smart guy, he is on trial for shooting some one whom, at the time of said shooting was trying to beat the life out of him.

Heres another question, if Mr Martin succeeds in beating Mr Zimmerman unconscious does he simply walk away eating skittles or does he take Mr Martins gun and shoot him with his own weapon?

 

This!^^

 

Its not irrelevant at all to me....the only duty he has to his neighborhood was fulfilled when he alerted authorities....the people we pay to protect us.....his life was not in danger until he approached the suspicious activity....had he kept his distance like a responsible family man and gun owner should do we wouldnt know who Zimmerman is

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True

But since we are playing the "what if" game

What if during the time Zimmerman called the cops and their arrival Trayvon robbed a family/household?

 

I tell you what - I am in a totally different environment, but if I see anyone I don't know within 300 ft of my home - I am dang sure I am going to ask them what they are doing...just by being where they are at that point is suspicious. I don't know if I will be carrying a gun, though every other time I have stopped someone I have been and the guys were either hunters trespassing which meant they had a gun to or they were snowmobilers. The sheriff is going to take 20 minutes to get here after 5 minutes of explaining how to get here - that is too late. If I see someone at my neighbors house or on their property - same thing and depending on what I see I may or may not grab the gun.
--As for this trial..it seems more like a publicity stunt by the prosecuting attorneys and who knows who else to reduce the amount of rioting that is going to happen, due to the media over-sensationalizing the case. By allowing the defendant to be publically found not guilty and righteous in his self defense they dispel the rumors of coverup and another 'minority/racist injustice'. Zimmerman did not try for the 'castle doctrine' angle because it did not apply, but he did shoot in self defense. He could have avoided the situation but then whats the use of having a neighborhood watch(should they just call the police and wait and watch while someone's rights or privacy or property is being violated?). IMO he was not wrong in checking out a suspicious individual and suspicious circumstances, and the kid was no angel who obviously also could have acted in a different way to avoid this confrontation and the end consequences.

 

Then the cops need to deal with it not Zimmerman.....the only time he shouldve acted or persued a threat is if he actually saw the kid...with his own eyes...endangering another life....period...thats how i see it

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that is part of the problem with our society these days - let somebody else(read > 'the gov't') take care of me and my neighbors, and our well being/safety. Don't do anything - just notify, watch and wait. Sorry but that doesn't work for me.

 

How was he or any of his neighbors unsafe in that moment....he wasnt in danger until he persued someone he believed to be suspicious....there was no threat present to anyone....he wasnt way out isolated in the country either with long response times like you have

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but he did not know that and he sure found out that the kid was a threat didn't he? The kid made a choice to

 

I would have likely shot him before he could have struck me!

In this case a delinquent, drug dealing thug was shot dead while in the commission of assaulting a law biding citizen who was a resident of the area .

 

U just said it....he did not know.....he assumed......I agree the kid made a choice to but it all couldve been avoided is my point.....there was no clear and present danger therfore you do not engage....its basic CCW stuff plain and simple

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Talk is cheap