Found these pics on the blood brothers forum... What about that "void" now? Does it, or does it not exist?
I agree with Christine, i think it was possibly a low poundage bow that didnt have enough snot to properly "spine" a deer
There is no, I repeat, NO void. That arrow is sticking in the meat and spinus process. (the bone above the spinal cord.
Carp' posted a dog picture (or something dog-like). In cervids, the spinous processes are much taller. Particularly near the shoulders.
Whoops, yeah I did. I'm still looking for a good picture of a deer spine. Especially one that shows how much meat and har is above the tall bones in the spinous process. But honestly, all those who claim there is some magical open cavity, guys, spend some time looking the next time you field dress a deer.
I am not claiming there is one one way or the other.... I just thought it was a couple cool photos and would let you all hash it out
No way that arrow is below the spine. If it was it would be in the lungs. Can't say I've seen too many lung hit deer stop and freshen up a scrape during his death run.
that blows me away that you's think its above the spine.. jus how low in the body is the spine.... im not argunin with ya's .. jus curious... didnt think there was that MUCH room bewteen the top of the deer an its spine..
Ok, I will give you that. How many liver, gut shot, deer have you seen or heard about freshing up a scrape?
It would have been a lung hit if it were lower, judging by the angle. To clarify.. (ugh...) the spinous process is part of the 'spine' but for the void arguement you are talking about the arrow somehow sneaking below the 'vertebral body' of the spine and not hitting anything 'vital'. An arrow in the spinous processes is above the vertebral body. So, without getting all technical, it's still 'above the spine' vs. 'below the spine'. I guess more correctly, we'd say it's 'in the spine' but then people would get all confused about why it didn't drop in it's tracks. Then somebody would have to explain that you'd need to actually disrupt the spinal cord which doesn't necessarily occur just because some vertebral bone was hit.
Thought so myself. Christine, can you clarify if this shot did or didn't damage the spinous processes? If it did then it is safe to say that a deer with a couple damaged vertebrae as this one will live?
I said 'lung'. It appears to be a quartering away shot. Yes, I think it would have gotten liver and lung if it were lower. No doubt in my mind.
I'm quite sure there is damage to at least one spinous process (and maybe transverse process damage :p ) . If secondary infection doesn't set in, the deer should recover fine. I've caped and butched two different deer that had healed over damage to this portion of their vertebra. One was a 3.5 year old 8 pointer that scored 156 5/8". The broadhead and a portion of the arrow was still there. Encapsulated by scar tissue. On the other hand I watched buck that had been hit through the backstraps (closer to the hips than the shoulders) over several months. Last time I saw him he was in terrible shape, skinny and barely walking. I don't know what else might have happened to him since he was shot but I'm guessing the wound probably at least part of his issue. Finally, I have damage to my spinous process in the lumbar region. Sometimes it annoys me, but it hasn't killed me yet.
:D ...while I'm at it. The descending aorta and the vena cava run right under the vertebral body... so even if the deer were suffering from some sort of disease that resulted in an enlarged pleural space.. a broadhead just under the spinal column would still kill it. Probably faster than a centered double lung hit. So there. rant over. :D:D
