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The sinking ship that is the Cleveland Cavaliers...

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Siman/OH, Jun 7, 2016.

  1. tynimiller

    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    Oh geesh....he'd be fouled out every game...but would put up 50 before it happens.
     
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    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    I've always kinda presented it this way....obviously you can pick any 5 from either....

    90's crew:

    Michael Jordan
    Scottie Pippen
    Hakeem O'
    Karl Malone
    John Stockton

    VS

    Lebron
    Westbrook
    Curry
    KD
    Cousins


    With today's rules the modern day team may have a shot to keep it within 20....using 90's rules all of them probably crying by the 5 minute mark about the "hard play" and "fouls".
     
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    Cooter/MN Grizzled Veteran

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    I don't believe Curry is even close to being his normal self regarding his health. He hasn't had the quickness and explosion we would normally see from him since the knee injury. There is a reason he has already declined to play in the Olympics this Summer.
     
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    MnHunterr Legendary Woodsman

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    And the NBA wonders why people think games are rigged... I truly don't understand it.
     
  5. Spear

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    If the Cavs keep playing big like they did last year (and last night) rather than trying to play small and beating GS at their own game then I think they actually have a chance. Love getting hurt may have been what Lue needed to see what he actually has on the bench. The starting lineup from last night is how they beat GS, Love may be a good starter against some teams but not GS. If Kyrie and LeBron are on their game, people like Jefferson, TT, and Frye can actually get some good looks. Like I said before, basketball is all about peaking at the right time and momentum. What's scary is how lopsided these games are, it's very odd.
     
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    Ty that 90's team would crush them.
     
  7. tynimiller

    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    The crazy thing is I had an incredibly hard time picking 5....the 90s were LOADED!!
     
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    nontypical223 Weekend Warrior

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    Kobie Bryant and Shaq got to fit in there some where. Kobie in the second group and shaq in the first group.
     
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    I wouldn't take Hakeem the Dream off the 90's team for Shaq. To me the tie breakers are that Hakeem was a much better defender (all time NBA leader in blocks) and was clutch at the end of games. Heck he could even make free throws! :) Shaq was more dominant in some areas but was never the complete player that Hakeem was.
     
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    Every team in the 90s had a legit superstar. In addition to MJ, Pippen, Hakeem, Malone, and Stockton you still have Reggie Miller, David Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Allen Iverson, Patrick Ewing, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Gary Payton...the list goes on.
     
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    nontypical223 Weekend Warrior

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    I still Shaq over hakeem. Shaq couldn't be stopped., but that's just me.
     
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    I totally agree with you Cooter about Hakeem.
     
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    Yeah, it's a good debate and based purely on opinion. But, there was a way to stop Shaq. It was called Hack a Shaq. ;) Nobody could stop Hakeem either (in his prime) in an era when there were many great centers in the league. He destroyed Shaq in the finals when the big fella played for Orlando. But, that was a young Shaq playing against The Dream in his prime. When Shaq was in his prime he was able to get the best of the past his prime version of Olajuwan. They were both great centers.
     
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    nontypical223 Weekend Warrior

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    You also have to throw Tim Duncan in there to. In my opinion the best PF/C to ever play the position.
     
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    This is the lineup I would put out there for decade of 2000-2010....

    Shaq
    Lebron
    Duncan
    Bryant
    Kidd

    This would be a damn tough team to beat
     
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    nontypical223 Weekend Warrior

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    Yes sir very tough
     
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    Siman/OH Legendary Woodsman

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    As a center, Shaq in his prime was pretty much impossible to defend.

    Draymond being suspended helps Cleveland tonight, but im not sure it will be enough. A win will be HUGE but i think the hill is too steep at this point.
     
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    Here's a question to ponder. If the Cavs end up with less wins this year than last year, is it safe to say something in the big 3 isn't working OR does it mean the Warriors are just that much better, or a combination of both? I like Kevin Love, and I think he creates a mismatch against certain teams, but I think he's hurting the Cavs against the Warriors. We certainly can't say Irving is the problem because he's totally torched the Warriors in this series so far. Why aren't the Cavs using Mozgov and Frye more? What they did in game 3 was perfect, I don't understand why they distilled that formula.
     
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    The Cavs are being out coached as well as outplayed.
     
  20. tynimiller

    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    True Lebron isn't half the coach Kerr is. :evilgrin:
     

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