Right, you know any "dreamer" is not going to walk into immigration and apply, I know you got the point. Because as soon as they do, they are getting shipped out. Congress can come up with some standards for these people that is pretty reasonable. 1. Support Yourself 2. Any criminal past and you're gone 3. Must speak English 4.Must have a HS degree or GED There should be more, but off the top of my head that's 4 I can think of. If you don't meet 1,3,4 you get x amount of time to do so, if you fail, you're gone. Also I am good with Military services as a path also only for these people. There is a reasonable solution, but I am not going to hold my breath.
Must take classes learning about United States and its constitution , Laws and Heritage, Must also take oath to support United States
There's an important legal difference b/t "non-citizen" and illegal alien. "Non-citizens" includes lawful permanent residents (commonly known as "green card" holders) who have SSNs and all the rights of a citizen except for voting rights. They are 100% allowed to serve in the military so long as they meet all the normal requirements. Illegal aliens who serve do so via 2 main methods- some of them are unknowingly using fraudulent SSNs that were stolen for them by their parents. They grew up thinking they were not illegal aliens and get jammed up when authorities run security clearance checks. Others have pending immigration applications and are allowed to enlist based on their TIN after a criminal history check. They are almost always granted citizenship based on their service so long as they apply- which is an important point because for some unknown reason some do not bother to apply. I'm about as right-wing as one could be on immigration and even I'm 100% for LPR/citizenship for any "non-citizen" including any "dreamer" who honorably serves and follows all the other rules. I don't know anyone who's not. But again, the numbers are so few it's very easy to grant them legal status on a case by case basis.
Underlined part is not true. Almost never happens. Unless they have a serious criminal conviction; these people are allowed to stay in the US pending their immigration case, which routinely take up to or more than a decade to play out. While the case plays out they get work permits and live their lives. Immi judges are notoriously lenient and often grant status even to those with extensive criminal arrest histories absent a recent felony conviction. 100% agreement with the rest of your post - plus severe restrictions on chain migration and statutory clarification of what a "natural born citizen" is. Without that, it's "Anchors away!" and we do it all over again in 18 years.
Switzerland has a policy if you have been in the country and collected any benefits in the 3 years prior you have to pay back the benefits in full. If that is done you can apply for citizenship, if not then you go back.
The term natural born citizen is well defined to mean any child born to a US citizen is a US citizen regardless of where said child is born. This goes all the way back to the First Congress. If you are referring to people who are NOT US citizens having babies on US soil, then that is an entirely different situation. The 14th Amendment speaks to that. It grants citizenship to anyone born on US soil. In it's original form (reversing some court decisions), it granted citizenship to the offspring of slaves that were brought here against their will. As for the military, I should have used the term illegal immigrant. I am aware that green card holders and citizens of US territories are eligible for military service.
You have my vote, I am working with my my state rep to add a policy for public schools in Michigan, if your kid fails a class you pay the state back cost of class for the year.
Seems like the common thread amongst all persons in this thread is the increased need for accountability. We can't just let things spiral out of control and then just cave due to illogical folks who don't give a damn about the law. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
The reality is that there is precedent for allowing illegals to gain citizenship in masses. Reagan did it and it is, in part, one of the reasons we are dealing with this again. I'd say it's already out of control when it's estimated that there are more than 11 million illegals in the country. Letting them stay will only encourage more to come but we can't afford to hunt them all down. The cost would be staggering. The ones we find would need to be housed until their court hearing lest they disappear. We can't afford to keep doing that either. We don't have enough manpower (immigration courts) to expedite the process causing even more money to be spent. I find it quite ludacris that it takes more than a couple months to process a case. I'm not smart enough to have the answers but I think a good start would be to process the illegals by the same process their home country would process anyone breaking their immigrations laws. I think it would open many peoples eyes to see just how lax this country is on immigration.
If illegal immigrants are not US citizens, which they are not, what right to trial, hearings, etc. do they have ? Green card holders have rights but no voting right. DHS people are getting paid now, so start rounding them up and ship them back. Period. Right after the wall is built.
If illegal aliens can't work (e-verify) and can't get welfare (or their US-born kids) and will never be allowed to vote (voter ID) then what incentive do they have to be here? Almost all of them will self-deport.
I always thought constitutional rights only applied to American citizens within the US borders. Call me crazy.
Its like the American people are like, "You beat us by getting through the border without us catching you....you win". Dumb logic.
I realize this thread has morphed into an immi debate- that being said as an immigration hardliner; I feel I'm getting about 85% of what I want on today's DJT-proposed "outline." I'd say that's a pretty definitive win.
