I don't see telling people the truth as being "arrogant". The fact of the matter is all you need is better land to kill bigger and better bucks. How this turned into class warfare is beyond my control. Some people get angry when others have what they want and look for ways to tear them down because it's easier then looking in the mirror and facing the truth about why you don't have some of the things you wish you did. I don't see advising people to beg door to door or spend their lives looking for some public land oasis. It's the hunting equivalent of playing scratch offs and the lottery..........sure some people get lucky but 99.9% of the time it's a losers pipe dream out of the gutter that never happens. It's just not a long term solution.........any given day the rug can be pulled out and all your "hard work" is toast. I would rather see a guy save up and buy 5 acres of land for himself then beg door to door. The first deer a man kills on land he can truly call his own is a special thing.
The existence of outfitters proves your statement wrong every season. I watched Tiffany Lackoski's mother kill a few BEASTS that most hunters will never even be lucky enough to see. She sits where they put her and shoots when they say shoot. Put ANY clown on the planet that can shoot near straight on the Whitetail Freak farms and they will have walls full of slammers in no time. It's just a fact.......huge bucks fall to businessmen that have barely ever seen the woods every year.
Not every hunter who kills a buck on public land is 'lucky', as you put it. Plenty of guys are willing and do put in the work and kill mature bucks consistently on public land. For those not willing to put in the work, it may be a 'pipe dream out of the gutter'. I agree, and I'm sure most others do too, that having access to prime land is the single biggest factor in killing mature bucks for most hunters, but there are other factors that contribute as well. To deny that is just plain wrong. Have you heard the name Dan Infalt? He kills slob bucks on public land every year. For a guy like that, I don't think luck even enters the equation. He's just that good.
You are talking two different things now...........claiming economic structure is what you were talking about when it's obvious that isn't true. Everyone CAN and is ABLE to become rich........the American dream excludes no one. The reason most people don't become rich is they are unwilling to do what it takes to get there. Same reason most people are fat.........it's harder to stay thin and exercise. Telling someone they are doomed to a life of poverty is a horrible disservice in this country..........we don't run a caste system.
You're taking what I said and twisting it. Sorry, but it's just not possible. Unless you'd like to live in a completely socialist economy, there will always be different classes of wealth, regardless of how hard every person works. That disparity is what creates wealth in the first place. Without it, there would be no wealth. That's not 'advice' that I would give a person, those are cold, hard facts. On and individual level I would encourage all people to work as hard as they can to reach their goals. But in reality it's just not possible. If we all wanted to be professional athletes could we be? No.
Yawn........once again you are hypnotized into believing that all you need to do is "work harder" LOL........don't you see that's just a BS story people tell you because you can never prove them wrong. You can say that for eternity to everyone and it will always still be true. A guy could spend 40 hrs a week all year devoted to bagging a mature buck and if he fails you could tell him he simply needs to work harder. I prefer to work smarter. No idea who he is and honestly couldn't care less.........stories from guys standing in front of a barn wall of mounts couldn't mean less to me. We've had numerous guys on this and the other sight who were lauded as super hunters due to their mounts and when they lost their land that all went away. Amazing how their skill and talent didn't travel with them to their new hunting spots.
No........you are backpedaling on what you said. No one believes you were giving a deep economic lesson on the viability of capitalism or the disparity of wealth. You simply said.........everyone can't be rich. That is not only untrue, it is horrible to tell anyone that in this country. It's a defeatist attitude and the very thing that keeps people down. They don't even try because they feel like the deck is stacked against them and it's a waste of time and effort. EVERYONE can be rich. The opportunities in this country are endless........to tell anyone otherwise is awful IMO. To insinuate that the reason most people are not rich is because of the potential economic impact is laughable.
I know it's easy to get wrapped up in the notion that there is some mysterious force out there keeping you from killing big bucks that you can overcome with hard work and elbow grease but it's really just people preying on the lottery mentality of those who spend more time worrying about what is holding them back then doing something about it themselves. Just read any hunting rag out there.........all they tell you is do what they figure most guys don't. That way the bulk of their readers will say to themselves....."yea, I go in for lunch and I don't hunt in the rain.....THAT'S why I don't kill monsters". If all else fails you can always convince them the big bucks are actually all around them but they smelled them so THAT'S why they don't see them. Hunting magazines and most books are the equivalent to fad diets for fat people...........tell them easy blanket statements that you know most are guilty of and convince them all they need to do is buy something or do something more or less and everything will change. Hunting is second to golf in its abuse of the dreamer mentality of its masses..........they know the truth to how to kill bigger bucks.........everyone does but it's boring and doesn't sell products or magazines. Get better land and you WILL kill better bucks...........it's that simple.
Your response to the Dan Infalt question is hilarious if you know who he is.... Dude gets it done annually on public ground. He is a poster boy for his hunting skills and success following him regardless where he hunts. I just wonder why you discount the opinion of people who DO have money and DO have prime land and are still telling you it takes more than that. I have neither but even I am not arrogant enough to claim easy success if I had them (and I'm a pretty arrogant person). If you have prime land as you elude to, why do you not kill a big buck every single year on your land?
Regardless of what your intention was, you did say that guys that asked for permission from others to hunt their land were parasites and mooches. I consider that degrading to all the guys just trying to find a place to hunt. I'm sure damn near everybody else sees it that way too.
Obviously it is you that is hung up on the outfitter part. Once again, this article is not referring to an outfitter. Anybody that has the ability to go to an outfitter every year obviously has an above average chance at killing big bucks. Any fool can figure that out. I could care less what Lee or Tiffany's mothers can do on a farm where they are put in a position to blast a deer. This article refers to things that are within your realm of control, that you may not be doing, that could possibly help you kill bigger bucks.
I'll admit it. I hunt lots of great buck ground and can't kill them consistently because I don't put tons of time scouting. I have the good land (which I bum off other people) and still don't kill big bucks. I thought that's all I needed. Sent from my SCH-R970 using Tapatalk
Exactly! I've read most of this and I have two things to say: 1. Who cares? I just like to kill deer. 2. I can't believe some of you guys still argue with Atlas. It's kind of like getting into an argument with a "troll" on the CNN comments section. No matter what you say you're not going to win the argument. Besides, Atlas knows exactly what he's doing.
