The Right To Work For Less...Michigan now joins these ranks

That's a pretty high average considering unskilled labor is 100% replaceable. Higher than many skilled jobs the require specific education and training.

In Missouri, the average teachers salary is less than 48,000 and the average starting wage is somewhere between 30 and 35,000.

 

Well yeah in Missouri, lol

The quality of life one gets for being a teacher, compared to working on an assembly line is night and day.

But I agree teaches are not paid enough

 

Who says they are holding a gun to the companies head????? My employers sign our contracts with no problems what so ever, and also give a decent raise each year, including my pension! If these companies have no problem with this why should you or the other union haters???

 

I don't agree with the unions because IMO, they detract from the union members themselves. I'd bet many if not most union workers are hard working...the union simply creates a blanket to protect those members who are not...and detract from the non union hard workers out there. And not all unions are equal, just the same as not all companies are equal. If they produce a better workforce for competitive wages that companies are fine with, thats great...There should just be a choice given to both companies and employees on whether to use unions or not.

Just Germ's example alone up there of 26/hr for an assembly line job is mind boggling to me. Half the people I know/grew up around have degrees and make less than that...much less having benefits.

I don't agree with ANY work setting that hides those who aren't willing to work hard, as MANY MANY people out there are willing to step in and do so for you.

 

I'm so glad I have the right to never hire a union contractor ever again.

So glad.

 

Sounds to me that the people you know/grew up with got the wrong degree! Whats mind boggling to me is that people want other people to make lees money, just because...? I don't get it, is it jealously or ??

 

lol, I would certainly agree teaching and a business management degree as of late certainly aren't good degrees to pursue. Especially when you could have saved the trouble and made double straight out of high school apparently.

It isn't that I want certain people to make less. Just that I want companies to decide what to pay their employees, not the other way around. You honestly see nothing wrong with assembly line workers making $50k+ per year plus benefits when working for a failing company thats using tax payer dollars to support this model?

I guess my mind has been biased somewhat against unions given my families history with them. A plant went on strike that my grandfathers trucking company had a contract with. The plant had temp workers come in to keep production going. When he drove through the picket line to pick up his load, they rioted and slashed a tire and used bats to beat and dent the truck all over. Attacked an honest, average, hell poor working man for the sole reason of him showing up to work to do his job. Years later my dad was threatened by a driver at the trucking company he was manager at that was trying to push through a union vote. Several drivers did not want the vote to pass, and when dad made sure they found out about when the vote was so they could be heard the union leader nearly came to blows with my dad because some of the employees found out about the changed time of the union vote and they didnt get it to pass.

Again, I'm never going to wish ill will on any person in particular. But when employees, especially replaceable nonskilled workers put themselves above the company or productivity, it should be grounds for firing. Unfortunately, it no longer is in a lot of cases.

People should be paid and employed based off of their merits and productivity.

 

Sorry but 54,000 a year for a job on an assembly line is asinine imo

Most skilled trades don't make that. And we wonder why American companies have a hard time competing. And then we have the nerve to call them greedy.

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^^^^Some make more than that. And we wonder why cars now cost $30k - $40k or more?
I personally believe unions have run their course in our country.

 

Its supposed to be a free market and the market should set the wage, as well as the cost of a product.

Imo, unions have driven the cost of living up, without a market demand.

That car that is made in michigan by union workers making over 50k has to be sold across the country where wages are substantially lower.


I'm not necessarily anti union but they create as many if not more problems than they solve.


They were a necessity at one point in history, just nor sure that they are as needed as they once were.

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You could not pay me 100,000 to work in a plant.

Actually most plant workers in all car company make that much, there are many issues why GM and others could not make money.

 

That's not the point. You COULD pay literally millions of qualified people to work there for 30-40k and they would be happy to do so (if unions allowed them to).

 

The folks at the plants down south do not work for that amount on the line. People generally ask to pay them less and like it

 

I believe in the right of people to join unions and trying to flex their collective muscle to bring about wanted change. However, I also believe in the businesses telling them to take a flying frigging leap and firing all of them. So if people want to gather up and try to pressure businesses, have at it. But, they need to understand they can and will be fired if their little gathering gets out of hand. That is just me.

 

I 100% agree, but not just business public employees also.

 

This sums it up perfectly.

 

Yeah you could pay some $20k to do your job as well, and you could always find someone to do it for less then $20k...and so on, and so on....Why do you want people to make less money??

 

Its not that we want them to make less, they should be payed what they are worth and what the product demands.

Remember that wages are passed down to the consumer. You and me.

When a company is strong armed into paying more than the product dictates, we see the situation that is happening in our country now.

This applies to the floor workers as well as the front office.

50,000 for a 30,000 job creates a false inflation. Someone has to pay and that someone is all of us.

If we want more pay and more benefits, we should do the work and get the education to earn it.

Just one man's opinion.

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Think of it this is way. Mcdonalds can afford to pay its workers 25 an hour. So the union demands it.

Now your value meal cost $12.00. Now it cost $50 for a family of 4.

Will you continue to go there for lunch?

It really is that simple.

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It's not that simple Todd.

Manufacturing is way different than food service. It's all about production numbers. In the 90's GM was making money have over foot, why? Because production was up, production brings cost down of the item. So if McDonald's could double their capacity and produce and sell more product, they could pay their employees more.

McDonald's simple cannot sell enough burgers to pay those wages, where GM, Ford and Chrysler could. Now when production drops, aka 2008 that's when they are screwed.