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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Germ, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. Germ

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    Ok who has seen it?

    I was not impressed so far, I thought he took a little too much liberty with the story.
     
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    Too much movie for a short book. He wants three movies in all out of it.
     
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    Went to see it... Yaaaawwwwn! How many ways can you fight an orc? Terrible ending. The only redeeming part is the idea that even the most ordinary person among us can do something great; it just sometimes takes someone to help us see it.
     
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    Did you guys read the book???
     
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    I have not... which is probably why I don't get it... I get it. LOL
     
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    It's not over yet, so it has not ended.

    Yes I read the books
     
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    Yeah, I know but I am afraid it has for me.

    Maybe I should have read the book.
     
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    UH ... you can still read the book .... ;)


    Gary, what liberties did you feel he took?
     
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    Radagast the Brown character

    Troll scene, Bilbo was supposed to try and pick pocket them, not because they stoled the ponies

    Bilbo finds sting, not Gandalf

    Necromancer? WTF?

    The Pale Org king dude

    Finding of the ring scene was totally different

    The eagle scene with the wolves was completely butchered.
     
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    Is in the Similarion.

    They did steal the ponies...

    Was mentioned several times in the book...

    meh, it was his son in the book, but I liked that they made it simpler

    it was?

    it was?

    Did you really read the book?
     
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    X2......the movie was excellent. Many of the added scene came from appendices to LOTR. For example the meeting of the "White Counsel in Riverdell between, Elrond, Galadriel Suraman, and Gandalf....Very happy to Jackson to see draw from the appendices and several of Tolkien's other histories.
     
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    Shouldn't a movie be entertaining and make some sense even if you didn't read the book??

    BTW, I Haven't seen the movie but I did read the book a gazillion years ago. I really didn't like it. Too much whining.
     
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    That's not the point, why did he go over? To pick their pockets and get some food. I believe the Dwarfs were hungry and needed some food. They seemed well fed and supplied in the Movie.

    yes, but not to the extent the Movie is trying to use it.

    yes it was:) In the book Bilbo just jumped over Gollumn, there was not seen where he saw him cry, LOL
    How exactly did he lose his buttons in the book again?

    The eagle seen was butchered, they did not jump from tree to tree as they caught fire, only to be all hanging in one tree over a cliff

    Gandalf did not use his powers to talk to animals to call to the eagles, in the book they were flying by and saw the trouble came and helped on their own. They talked also, just not in the movie.

    Granted I read the book 20 years ago, I do not recall Thorin attacking the lead orc in the tree seen and Bilbo coming to the rescue, I have to go back and look at that one also.

    Did you read the book or did you do cliff notes?
     
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    Yeah, they used some liberties in the last scene, if they did not, the movie would have ended very boring. They had to make a complete movie out of it.

    I had no problems with the movie. I knew not much was going to happen in this one, much like FOTR. The next 2 movies will have much more impact to the story.

    I don't see a problem with expanding on the world Tolkien created.
     
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    What can be cooler than Giant talking eagles? I know a wizard being pulled on a sled with bunnies:moose:
     
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    Expanding yes, getting those basic scenes wrong, no.

    I to liked the white council.

    Trolls to stone
    Finding of the ring
    Wolf seen at the end

    Those were three important scenes that were changed and not for the better.

    I love the bilbo did not find sting, brilliant.:argue:
     
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    meh, I still enjoyed the movie

    and I agree, Radagast was pretty bad, but he was only on the screen for a short while
     
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    I have to laugh reading this thread. I have never read these books or seen any of the movies so I don't know if what Germ is typing is hobbit language or Germ language. Don't know if he is mispelling a word and turning it into a new word or if it is a hobbit word. I'm just laughing reading this thread but i don't understand any of it. Carry on.
     
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    Reading is fun. And you may learn something ;)

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    I may get blasted for this but I'm a Tolkien nut through and through...studied the elvish language some I'll admit even. Hooker already pointed out that Peter Jackson (and crew) took a lot of time obviously reading the Silmarillion and Tolkien writings from the same time period to build The Hobbit movie (not just the book The Hobbit). I thought he kept a lot more of the book then he would, the stone battle I thought for sure would be cut, but nope it was there.

    I did however find this film when compared to the others a little hokie. The escaping of the trolls in the Misty Mountains was a little much...but I understand that is the "big screen effect".

    Bottom line just like any book to movie the director is simply going to change some stuff around to either make it easier to show or easier for "non-book readers" to understand the story easier. I'll admit though tackling one of the most in depth created worlds ever to exist is a tough thing to put in a fashion it makes sense to those who have no clue what their watching (my wife hated every minute of it that didn't include Gollum).

    Also for anyone complaining about the ending...it shouldn't have an ending because it isn't over. To put a solid ending on it would ruin what the movie is. I know personally the next movie is going to be the meat of the story but the third movie is where Peter Jackson has his work cut out for him...bridging the gap from The Hobbit to the FOTR is something no one has every attempted to do with the collections of appendices and stories Tolkien never completed or put in the Trilogy or The Hobbit.
     

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