For those answering Yes to any murder.... Scenario: A girl is sexually or physically beaten by her "dad" for many years before finally hatching a plan to kill him ....does she deserve the death penalty? That type of scenario is why I answered yes to the death penalty only in extreme situations and not yes to all murders.
But is Jesus? No. Infact he stands against it. Matthew 5:38 For all you "eye for an eye" folks, here are some of the Laws that follow this one in Exodus. Do you stand by these as well? Or do we get to pick and choose? Ex. 22:16-17 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins." Ex. 22:20 "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed." Ex. 28:28 "Do not blaspheme God or curse the ruler of your people." Ex 23:4-5 "If you come across your enemy’s ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to take it back to him. 5 If you see the donkey of someone who hates you fallen down under its load, do not leave it there; be sure you help him with it." Food for though
Jesus is God and God changes not...both in the Bible.. nnn ow, those directions were to individuals...so Gos is against vigilanties (sp?) ..but like said before, the government is SUPPOSED to be a terror to evil doers.......that being said, I dont know if I would trust the government to exaCt swift punishment to a scumbag that hurt my family.... and that would be between God and me ..and of course the police, if I was caught
That IS not self defense. She hatched a plan (1st degree murder-pre-meditated) and carried it out to kill someone. I didn't say her father was in the process of molesting her, I said the girl decided to kill her dad. Technically that is murder. I for one would pat her on the back and let her walk out of jail the same day.
So, when the vigilantes up and kill the wrong guy, an innocent man, do we then kill all of the vigilantes for murder?
Does it ever feel weird to have to believe in something because the bible says so? Do anyone ever find themselves disagreeing with the bible, but you go with what the bible says anyway...because you're suppose to? Are you allowed to have an opinion that goes against the bible's teachings? What happens if you do? This must be how republicans feel. Could a man molest children and still find his way into heaven, because he and God hashed it out? Those are all serious questions.
How many black men in the south were lynched by vigilantes because they were guilty without a shadow of doubt?
Good point. "without a shadow of a doubt" to me equals multiple people witnessing the event/video evidence OR the suspect voluntarily offering up that he did indeed kill someone. You would be suprised how many sicko sexual killers offer up that they did indeed kill women and how many thugs readily admit to shooting and killing people.
I agree, God does not change. But his interaction (covenant) with mankind does! You do not expect from a child what you would from an adult. That doesn't mean that you change. As a child certain things were expected of me, and some things were not. I was to follow certain rules (blindly in most cases). As I grew up, things changed. Some things I could do, I could no longer do and some things I couldn't do I could now do. Why? Because I had more of an understanding. Not everything changes, but much does. We no longer have slaves. Women have the same rights as men (open for debate in some cases). These are wonderful Godly things, but in the time of Exodus, people had slaves, so God addressed a better way for them to treat them. Jesus is the "new" interpretation of how we are to relate to God. When he says, " You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Math 5:38-39) He is changing our rules. Not changing who he is, but how he interacts with us to bring us into further understanding, namely Love. He has a better way for us now, because in some ways, we have a further understanding. I don't trust our Government for much of anything either. But I trust God, or rather I'm trying to trust God. Like I said, I don't know how I would act in a given circumstance, but I know how I would like to react.
x2 Easy one just say a bunch of hail marrys, play with some rosary beads drink a little wine add ten percent in tithe and welcome to the club even if your the priest or as the pope you covered it up with a bunch of money and then just play musical chairs moving these monsters from church to church no jail time you see,hate to have any of these guys near any bad people.
I'm not strongly in favor of it, but I'm not completely opposed either. It doesn't make sense to me that someone can receive the death penalty in one state and get out after, say 15-20 years in another. I'm more inclined to be in favor for some crimes though. For example, a guy who rapes a child, wraps her in a plastic bag and buries her alive, as happened recently, should be executed and, not necessarily kindly and gently either. The fact that the person being executed might feel some pain or discomfort during the process doesn't particularly bother me.
Dude....are you 12 or something?? NO ONE said this is How it goes ... grow up and READ before you post! The Bible says NOTHING about what you posted...
Sounds simple enough. Problem I seem to find, people interpret the bible differently. So who is interpreting it correctly? What happens if you think you are following the bible, but are in fact interpreting incorrectly, and don't follow God's will accordingly? Fitz, you've said many things over the last couple weeks on this board that make me think, if more christians conversed like you, the gap between some christans and non-christains would be smaller.
Some of those black men died because multiple people "witnessed" the "event" they were accused of. They were even killed by "sickos" that cut off their genitals and stuffed them in their mouths, while they were still alive. Of course the event that might have precipitated all of that was the audacity to speak to a white woman. And, the "sickos" that did that got off scot free because multiple people testified that the "sickos" were at home sipping tea when the lynching occurred.
Matt...God knows ouur hearts .... I believe He honors our intentions in those gray areas... then there are those that teach things that are just plain wrong....the Bible interprets itself.. .. and we all need God to open our eyes to HIS truth...He will
Easy, Tony, I don't think he meant that is what the bible says. I believe he is referencing what he sees and hears from christains. Catholic priests have been protected by the church from facing criminal charges. There are christians out there who preach one way, and behave another, who believe they can do a little penance and wip the slate clean. There are many hypocritical christians out there. That is what I think he was referencing. In my opinoin, the best way to bridge the gap between christians and non-christians, is patience. No matter how ridiculous you think their misinterpretations are. As hard as that can be, I think its best way. I have been on both sides.
