Not taking sides here. Just following this thread. But no, I don't get as excited killing a doe or during the time leading up to the shot on a doe.
Yes, I get equally excited killing a doe as I do a buck. If I know I'm going to shoot an animal that I see, I get jacked up. If I didn't, I wouldn't be shooting. Why should bucks get more respect, just because they grew some bone on their head? Because a doe doesn't have that bone growing on its head, its an inferior animal? So, taking a bucks life is a bigger deal than taking a does? That logic to me is very disrespectful of the animals we chase. To me, taking a life is taking a life. We hold that power in our hands and I don't take it lightly.....no matter what the animal. I don't consider it "taking the high road." I consider it respect of life.
So, do these Swhahachchcacher broadheads kill deer or not? Or are they like shooting toothpicks at deer?
Oh, they kill deer... watched Levi Morgan take a quadruple droptine buck at 78 yards tonight with a Schwacker.
That's funny, because I never even looked at the head until just now. I'm sure they kill deer. But after looking at the head, I believe there are better options out there. Either way, none of my posts had anything to do with the actual head.
So, Who else has any experience with the Swhackers as the OP asked about? And I would rather shoot a nice buck over a doe anyday.
I was skeptical of this head too until I watched the video that was provided in one of the other posts. Its 26 minutes so watch it when you get some time. IMO, the testing speaks for itself. I'm thinking about going back to fixed blades this year but if I was to go mechanical, I'd give the Swhacker a good look.
Geeze Dan... I am pretty sure most of us on here are trying to kill the deer reguardless if it is a buck or doe. We are doing our best to put them down fast. We take taking a life very serious shooting a new or the old trusted broadhead. We are a decent lot for the most part. If you think I am disrepectful of does or hunting them... you are barking up the wrong tree. I get jacked up also when I shot a doe but truthfully it isn't the same as a big buck. There are a lot more does then there are big bucks. I can get a lot more tags for does then bucks. I've shot a lot more does then big bucks. I have alot more chances at shooting a doe then a big buck. Geeze if there were as many big bucks as does... we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would be equal and you might be on to something. It's not though. That is called the real world and common sense. Since the odds of killing a doe are much greater and the hunts tend to be more relaxed... it is a better time to try a new broadhead. You are calmer and will shoot better. Just a given. 1. Every broadhead made can kill a deer. If I didn't think a certain broadhead couldn't kill a deer... I won't shoot it period !!! Duh !!!!!!! If I am curious about a new broadhead which I am certain will kill a deer and I would like to try it... I need to kill something with it. I want to know what kind of a blood trail it leaves. I want to see how tough it is after passing through a deer. The only way to do that to prove to "ME" how good a broadhead is... is to shoot a deer. A doe is almost always going to be the canidate. 2. I will not shoot a doe when I am buck hunting in places where I know certain big bucks frequent. Neither are getting shot with a new brand of broadhead. Since big bucks are few and far inbetween the last thing I want to do is scent the area up by dragging a doe out. Taking the chance of being smelled/busted while dealing with the doe isn't going to happen. Since I will probably only get one or two chances to actually get a shot at a big buck per year... I need to know everything will work and it will work very well. There is so much more to buck hunting then doe hunting that is involved. I don't want the tiniest of doubt at the moment of truth. I don't get to hunt a peaceful rut like some other states. I don't get to kill them out of a tree. To say buck hunting is the same as doe hunting is a joke. We both know what would be shot if 150+ class buck and a doe were standing broadside to us and we had tags for both. I suspect you would shot the doe since both deserve the same respect ?? To say I respect bucks more because I put more into it or because I am shooting the 150+ class buck... is a bigger joke. It is an oppertunity and has nothing to do with respecting one over the other one. Again I want to know that the broadhead is going to do the job it needs to do when the oppertunity finally arises for killing bucks I get only one or two oppertunities per year. Has nothing to do with respecting a buck over a doe. 3. I am hunting nastier spots where the bucks like to roam outside of rut verses the does. The last place I want to find out how well a broadhead works for toughness and a blood trail is in a nasty cattail slough. Since the does tend to use the more open areas... it is a better time for trying a new broadhead. Unlike most of you... I am not shooting down at a deer. If the deer isn't spraying... it can be a bit before the blood trail starts. When I hunt does... I normally see them going down in the more open areas. In fact I don't remember not seeing one go down that I killed. The bucks head for cover and I don't always see them go down because they are not very far from it. So which would you rather try a new broadhead on ?? Does make more sense for me in my area. 4. It could be years before I would know how good a broadhead is if I waited on a big buck for fear of someone thinking I don't respect the does if I shot a doe first with it. I suspose I could go out and shoot any little buck just to see if it is a good broadhead. Wouldn't that be more disrespectful though because I really didn't want to kill him in the first place but didn't want to be disrespectful of the does who I really did want to kill for the freezer in the first place ?? 5. I tend to be a lot more selective on my shots with does. While I only take good shots on bucks... I will push it more so then a doe. Reason being there are a lot of does. No need to push anything. Since I am not pushing it with does what better time to try a new broadhead. I can afford to wait for the perfect broadside shot which I always do. If it doesn't work out for the first doe... it usually isn't too long before the next one shows up. Here you could say I have more respect for the does then I do the bucks. :p Sorry Dan I just don't buy what you are saying. I am content trying new broadheads on does only. Well unless a big buck walks in while I am doe hunting and I don't have time to change the arrow. Then I will disrespect his arse, let him have it and hope for the best. I'll blame it on equipment failure if it goes bad. I am just a slease bag in that way. Horns Baby... it's all about the horns !!!! Tim
Dan, Do you have any deer mounted? If so, how many are bucks? How many are does? If you have bucks mounted and no does, then you have the same logic.
Tim, you know I respect the hell out of you and I have zero idea why you're taking so much offense to this. I'm not going to respond to everything you said here, mainly because most of your manifesto was repeating the same thing over and over. :D All I am saying is, the time to test new equipment is not on an animal. I have more respect for them than that. If you don't, then I'm sorry. Really, its that simple.
Ahhhh, the old "How many does do you have mounted? None? Gotcha!!" trap. You'll have to do better than that.
To me it all boils down to being confident in your equipment to kill either a buck or a doe. I've tested many heads this spring and summer all ready and I look for how they fly, how they perform, and how durable they are. If they do not pass all three of these test for me, then I will not have them in my quiver or knocked on the end of a hunting arrow for that matter. I take my testing seriously because I respect the animal that will be getting shot with a particular broadhead. If I am in the woods hunting, no matter if a buck or doe comes by, I will have complete confidence in the head at the end of my arrow and I will not question the shot because of it. I will not walk into the woods with an uproven product, to me at least, just to see if it will work on a doe. I think we all owe this to the deer, whether they be male or female.
To the OP and the original question: I have no experience with these, but I don't care for the design. Those blades are going to be a good 1 inch into the deer before the blade deployment process starts. In my mind that not only makes for a small entry wound but it seems like it would eat up a lot of energy. Then, once it's open it has a steep cutting angle like a Rage. Oh, I'm sure they'll kill deer, but there's just too much going on at the point of impact for me. As far as Hank Parker's endorsment goes - that means about as much to me as Bill Dance endorsing Mahindra tractors. Yeah, I think I'll run right out and buy one because a bass fisherman says they're good.
good point. to add into this what setup works for one person may not work for the other. last time i checked no one shoots exactly the same as the other person. that is why it is best to do what is mentioned above. practice with different set ups and that until you find what works for you.
Dan It isn't that I am taking offense. I just really don't see what you are seeing in the original post. He is going to get a pack of different broadheads and try them on does. I would do the same for all the reasons I listed. I make sure the broadheads fly great but until I shoot a deer with one of them or a couple does... it's not proven to me. Again I know the broadhead will kill but I am looking for more then just that. There is no disrespect. Dead is Dead. Word of mouth isn't good enough because I am not interested in switching every year for the latest and greatest. It helps but until I see the results myself... I am not sold. I've shot some broadheads that fly great but left a poor blood trail although they were suppose to be a great broadhead. I need to know which broadhead works for me. Which one gives me a great blood trail. Shooting through plywood, gel, or anything other thing isn't good enough. Last I checked... a piece of plywood didn't run away and leave me a blood trail. it just screws up arrows and wrecks broadheads. A waste of time and money. I bag of gel didn't run away and leave me a blood trail. Where do you even get the stuff ?? LOL Remember I live out in hicksville. The blood trail tells me what I need to know. I need to kill a deer for that which again the broadhead is going to kill them. Again dead is dead. It will be a doe I shoot. It has nothing to do with respecting a buck over a doe. I am glad you have a high respect for the animals we hunt. I always thought I had a high respect for them to. Guess I was wrong... NOT !!!! :p :D Have a good one !! Peace out Tim
Well thanks for the responses I think I'm gonna buy a pack. Dan, I understand what your saying but I don't see it disrespectful to shoot a doe with a different BH that is marketed to kill deer all same Obviously I practice with my BH before I take them into the field it would dumb not to. I am not in this sport to disrespect the game I am hunting. Just because I choose to shoot a doe with a new BH I still put in all the practice hours shooting, tuning, etc ...the arrow will go were it is intended to. Sorry to hear I disappoint you with my apparent lack of respect for does.
Tim, you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is......and repeating yourself again. You believe its ok to test a broadhead on one animal animal and not another.....because of the trophy aspect. Its not something I agree with. Good luck this season.
