What point, LOL The thread starter brought up other brands, he invited in the debate. I notice no one responed to my thread, what people do not realize is Kevin Strothers is like a rock star in the bow world. He has a following that will buy his bows and they are the best no matter what. Just go to Elite forum and looked at names of those who left. I can gurantee they are at Strother forum. Same thing you say about other company on this board. If you want to talk Strothers here are my issues. He clamed his Cam system he invented at Elite the dual track binary was the best ever. Because it was dual track, well Strothers bows have 3 track system, and he claims now these are better. He cannot use the two track system, beccause Elite holds the patent rights. The guy has ethical business issues IMO.
The fact is that just about everyone makes a great bow these days. I like how a small company such as Athens can come in and because they produce a good product take root in the industry almost over night. I also love how an older company like Pearson has started producing some great bows again. All of this means a better product for the consumer overall. How many bows do you know that are 100% made without any "borrowed" technology from the other guys? I can't think of any. The only thing that drives me crazy about that subject is how Mathews will use someone else's technology then advertise it as their "innovation". You don't see BowTech saying the Binary Cam system was their "innovation". The archery industry has to be one of the most competetive industries right now. I sure wouldn't want to be the lead marketing guy for any of the top bow producers.
Germ You understand it. You stated the same thing that I did earlier in the thread on the cam "issue". Good point.
His two track system was a pain in the ass on timing issues. Being it had two draw stops, if one cam got out of sync the bow shot like hell. One needed a draw board to shoot one of those bows. I had to buy one to keep the cams timed. Being binary cam system was suppose to eliminate the timing issues I was confused Why I went back to single cam bow
I've owned two BowTech's and a TX4 and have never had any timing issues once properly tuned on a draw board.
I have had BowTechs for a few years now and have never had any timing issues. Crackers times them when I buy them and thats all that needs to be done. As for Strothers...I dont know anything about Kevins personal business but I do know that the SR-71 shoots great and is very quiet. Personally I dont think a person could go wrong buying BowTech, Elite, or a Strothers bow. I think they are better than some of the other "big 3" bows out there now. just my .02
Tell you what my .02 is it is just nice that serious archers have a plethora of great options out there whether it be some "BIG 3" bow or not. What makes a bow part of the big 3 is just how popular their name is. It doesn't necessarily signify their originality or unique design concepts. I now officially choose not to take sides(brand wise) and may seriously consider a dual cam in the near future. It makes sense to try them all regardless of cam style or brand.
There is a lot of truth in that statement! LOL Fortunately, I had my Mathews bought for me by an ex girlfriend. I would never have spent that much money on a bow (we can thank Mathews for starting the high dollar bow craze). I would say Mathews are worth from 1/3-1/2 (at best) what they sell them for depending on the model. I think people become to loyal to an Inanimate object sometimes. I am not brand loyal and people that have known me for a long time know that I have a 100% open mind when it comes to picking my equipment. I think A LOT of people would be surprised by how things would change if it were not for paid sponsorships and instead bow sales where based strictly on the merits of the bow itself instead of people that are paid to say it is the best. You would see a ton of people drop Mathews, especially for hunting... I guarantee it. I'm not saying Mathews are junk, just that they are not as superior as their broad marketing campaign makes them appear. It doesn't help that hunters (as a whole) are often quite gullible these days. Take the PSE X-Force campaign for instance. PSE claimed they blew away the competition and showed the data to "prove" it was true. Or did they? What they really did was treat people as generally being not to bright and showed the obvious, but claimed something else at the same time. They didn't compare apples to apples. They took their top of the line speed bow and did NOT compare it to their competitions top of the line speed bows. Also, they most likely either took the fastest bow out of a batch off the production line or tweaked one to make sure it was at the exact tolerances for peak performance for the test (an old trick done by other companies also). Why did they do these things? Because if they had been straight with us they would have had no ad campaign!!! We are just pawns in a corporate game! I also think that it is very possible that PSE designed the X-Force mainly to be able to launch this campaign because they dropped the brace height very low in order to get this speed which makes the bow much less forgiving. I don't mean to single out PSE on these kind of deceptive practices. I only use it as an example. Although I have to admit that I was quite disappointed in them because in my mind they had always been a stand up company before that. There are many more examples like this out there. The bottom line is this. Unless it is a small new independent company don't worry about the brand. Check the specs (particularly brace hight vs speed), do a little research on smoothness and quietness, ask around (don't ask anybody with ties to the company) and then shoot them if possible. Also realize that you can only count on accurate speed ratings within each manufacturers line of bows. Most cheat (some more than others) and a bow rated for 320fps may actually be faster than a bow rated for 327fps from another manufacturer. However, if both bows are from the same manufacturer then count on the one rated at 327fps to be the fastest.
This is exactly right! And you'll find that the most popular sellers are generally the one's that people are most satisfied with and have a reputation for quality. General consensus on a given item "usually" tells the story.
And the real world. Most of us are hard working bowhunters that don't get paid to say one is "the best". We just shoot around till we find "the best" according to our shooting style and desires. That's what makes the best. Not what the pros say.
i can't disagree with PSE, maybe i should say Big 4??? just hadn't occured to me cuz I haven't liked any bow they made for the past 5 yrs... doesn't mean they aren't big i guess...
way to tell them 7mag. I not saying any of the big 3 or 4 lol. I like strother NONE OF THE PROS USE THEM. So maybe some of u matthews guys should shoot a real Quite bow
You sure you are not from IOWA...You love strother and that is great, Kevin is a very well established designer. I would love to shoot one of their bows, and hopefully I will get to. It seams that you are bashing all the Bigger names, and I am confused about that...you have an alphamax for sale in the classifieds, and I am pretty sure I have heard of that company before...Hoyt or "one of the big 3" right? Not bashing you, or arguing...just pointing out the irony.
I'd like to know why they have to build a bow with that as their main selling point. Makes you wonder about their target market.
"Main" selling point? I kinda see it as a fringe benefit. And, I don't see that with any other bow. I'm sure they'd welcome the "others" to attempt the same test? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?
I'd say they acheived that with the AM,AB, and Maaxis. Hoyt makes solid bows. I actually like the "looks" of the Carbon Matrix, but asking me to spend an additional 800 bucks for less than a half pound of wt difference, a cool look, (and apparently the main selling point via their four part series of videos) the ability to be run over by a Dodge Dakota with a lift kit, is a stretch. The bigger question is, how'd they pick the truck. Don't they have some big promo truck with at least some decals on it?
