Stripped of his rights or did he bring this on himself? (Cop Video)

Every college town I've been to has road blocks and cops parked everywhere right down from the bars. I'm not blaming the cops, I just wish the strategy was to prevent it instead of catch it. Might save lives. I know it's unrelated to the thread but it seems logical.

And I'm not talking about having one in the bar to pass around. I'm talking about instead of hiding the cop car two blocks down from the bar(again it happens every single weekend), park it in open sight in the parking lot and administer them to people heading to their cars that are willing.

 

That's what checkpoint are supposed to do, prevent dui's. that's why they tell you where they are weeks in advance.

 

That just lets everyone know which roads to avoid...

 

Repeal the 21st Amendment!

If it saves just one child!!

 

I don't know if your being serious but the reason the 21st exist is because the 18th was unenforceable and created more crime.(notably the mafia)

That wasn't exactly a great time in our nation's history.

Not the answer imo.

Punishments are too light for a dui. The punishments don't get severe until soneone kills someone or they have several convictions.

They keep lowering the "legal " limit but the punishments stay relatively the same.



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Um... Duh??!

 

Sarcasm is pretty hard to detect without smilies:D

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I figured I waved my libertarian flag enough that the smilies were unnecessary. Plus I use smilies so much that I thought I'd drop them down to 32 hour work week, lest they get too stressed.

 

The cop definitely could have handled the situation better but sometimes you may not be on top of your game. IMO it is funny that it was a DUI check and there ended up being no mention of it at all. I am curious what some of the LEO's here think about the dog hitting on the car, I have seen multiple people bring it up and very little mention of it from the LEO side. Do you (LEOs) think that the use of dogs may be abused often? As an everyday person out on the road I would have no idea what the sign of a dog hitting on a car would be...so I could easily be taken advantage of with that. In the video the dog never seems to hit on anything just sniffs and checks where the handler tells it too. The camera was located inside so we don't get a true feel on how and what the dog did on the outside all we get is the punk kid saying it never alerted and later on you get the officer to say it was a weak alert. So with a kid being a pain and a weak alert from the dog the cops at this point search the car and are just hoping to find something to bust this kid. IMO I believe this all happened simply based on the fact he did not follow the orders of the LEO and the kid also questioned him. Instead of releasing him from what was a DUI check point when they knew he was not under the influence they detained him and searched his car. I think that is where the cops went too far, once they knew he was good to go he could have been on his way and LEO could have been stopping someone that actually had been drinking. Instead the officer let this kid get under his skin and forgot the true reason he was there..to prevent something from happening rather than bust some punk kid. Some of you also said this kid needed an attitude adjustment...he shows respect to the officer by using words like sir many times throughout the video. The only way you can put disrespect on the kid is on his unwillingness to do what he is told and from what I have read through this whole mess the kid broke no laws and acted within his rights. Now I am in the military and some of you have used that as a reason to listen and obey....is it not the responsibility of every military member to disobey an unlawful order and report it. In this case the kid did just that was given orders that he did not have to follow as a free citizen and reported it on Youtube. Now don't get me wrong drawing the line at rolling my window down is an absolute STUPID place to start the freedom march but that is where he chose to draw the line and from what I have read the kid was not wrong by refusing to roll his window down...just a dumb a** kid with too much time on his hands.

For the LEO out there please don't take this as a bashing...I have several years of college put into a criminal justice degree in which I was pursuing to become a Cop but sadly my college funds ran short and the military became a great second choice for me. I respect everyone of you and never in my life would I have acted like that! I appreciate everything you do for our towns, cities, and states. Sadly on this day this officer made some mistakes and painted a bad picture of all of you....no different than some of my fellow military members and their actions during this war.

Now the kid may have acted within his rights but there is no excuse to go out and actively try to provoke anyone into doing something they may not normally do. Something like this may give him some fame with his college buddies and cause an uproar all for what? He thinks he is some kind of hero now...nope just another dumb kid on Youtube. He will not go down in history or leave a legacy...all he really did was put some officers ability to do his job on this one night in question. This could have destroyed that officers family..his career..and everything he worked for. Why go out cop bashing and making videos of the bad....Hey kid why don't you get your balls to drop and do what they do day in and day out!!!! If you have a problem with the way things are done go out and fix it...become the Cop make the right decisions!

Rant over, as you can see I have feelings on both sides of this thing...neither of them were correct and both acted foolishly. I am sure I will get bashed for some of the things I have said and that is fine we are all entitled to our own opinions! Once again I appreciate all that serve..no matter what form or uniform that it may be!

I think I went off on this so much based on a bad experience I had when I was younger...I was raised in a house of respect and with a belt in hand when I strayed from right. So the story goes...I was returning from town one evening with my GF..17 at the time. I got pulled over for crossing the solid white line on the edge of the road...which I did not think I did but whatever and didn't argue. Cop tells me why he pulled me over and I said ok and did the standard ID and insurance. Came back with all that and shined his light around in my car..and pointed to dash and asked if that was marijuana dust/ash??? I said no just dirt....I live on a dirt road. This point he asks me to step out and I had no problem with that..he bends me over my hood and frisks me..and accuses me of having a knife that I did not tell him about...turns out it was a pack of gum. Next thing you know two other cars roll up with dogs in tow of course and they ask to search and once again I said go ahead. I had nothing to hide, never did drugs and didn't even smoke or drink. So they throw me in the back of a cruiser and tear my car apart while my GF stands on the side of the road...they find nothing and tell me sorry for the inconvenience as they leave my stuff scattered on the road and in the ditch as they drive off. All because he thought he seen marijuana dust/ash on my dash. Good times!

 

can someone summarize that book?

 

I need cliff notes. :D

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Haha sorry, deployed with too much time on my hands! Both were in the wrong bout sums it up.

 

Lmao!!!

 

The last paragraph pretty well sums up why the LEO's get a bad rap. Rightfully so. We all know someone that this type of thing has happened to. It happens far too frequently in a country that is said to enjoy so many freedoms. This is not to say that all cops are bad by any means. But, enough of them get drunk on the power as to create a sense of suspicion amongst the general population. I have personally heard more than one of them jokingly tell about getting to use the taser on people when it really was not necessary. As if it was sport and good for a laugh. Like any profession, there are bad apples. Unfortunately, in law enforcement unlike other professions, they seldom report one of their own.

 

An excerpt from the local NBC story, posted by tfox.
Again, I'm not trying to justify the officer's attitude. Just passing legal information along.

Legal expert David Raybin also viewed the video and had a different take on the driver's behavior.
"This guy is immediately becoming confrontational and noncompliant with the officer for no reason," said Raybin. "So the officer is allowed to escalate this a little further. This is not the way to react to a police command to move."

 

Am I missing something??

Trevor, having large numbers of police officers and barricades near college party districts IS the preventative measure. Do you not find this strategy to be a significant (and totally legal )deterrent?

 

Yes I caught that but then again, how many times do people stand up for their own

Ever see a bad call in a sports game and have the head officials come in and say it was the "right" call.:D


He knew what he was up to. The other officers apparently kept their cool and didn't make it to youtube. Lol


I'll never be convinced this kind of search is "legal" even if it is accepted.

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Totally unrelated..

I arrested a guy yesterday, whom I found unconscious on the busiest sidewalk of downtown Columbus (3pm). I suspect he was either drunk or high, but had no plans of arresting him. In situations like this, I prefer to get the person medical attention and a safe place to sleep it off. However, this changed when he produced a good sized bag of the stinkiest "green leafy substance" I've ever witnessed. He did so in the presence of my sergeant, 3 EMTs from the FD, myself and about 30-40 onlookers (including the young kid videoing the entire incident with his phone ) I "ran" his info and learned he had an outstanding bench warrant from a nearby department. He then chose to cop an attitude by standing up and flexing on us, clinching his fists and thumping his chest (6'1/267lbs); explaining that he was recently released from a 4 year stint in the pen for B&E, and served an additional 6 years for other crimes.

I arrested him, charged him with disorderly/public intox and possession.
Upon case follow-up (this afternoon), I learned that he was released and both charges were dismissed.

Moral of the story: if you want to challenge the system, why not address the real problem, rather than pick on the cops?

ps- nobody was hurt, maimed or killed during this incident... and there were zero civil rights violations
* also, my procedural and paperwork handling of this case were immaculate -so don't blame the cop!!

 

Legal information? = Some lawyers opinion. I watched the video, the cop losing his cool is obvious. No justification can be made...except for maybe a "legal expert". ;]

 

Serious question. How does that happen?