http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2013/08/13/the_statistics_of_stop-and-frisk_609.html Watching the daily show they had a bit on this, why the hell does this happen. Where is foxnews on this they are the protecter of our constitution!!! Hannity? Take 5 guys? Is NY not where they live/work? This Bloomberg dude is a joke, who elected this clown, my guess is the same people being frisked.
Stop and Frisk cannot be constitutional, it's pretty much the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Lets randomly stop people instead of targeting criminal behavior. It is an obvious example of the government over stepping their legal authority. Nobody should think this is a good idea for America.
I'm just waiting for them to "find" something and then when it goes in front of the Supreme Court, the search gets thrown out b/c of 4th Amendment violation. Then, we'll see....
people don't know their rights. Unless a cop has probable cause to stop you, it is a voluntary encounter that you can end at anytime. Merely look at the cop and say I'm going to go on my way. If the cop says I wasn't done talking to you or come back or something of that nature, say that you would like to be on your way and ask the cop if he is detaining you. If he doesn't answer continue to ask until he does, if he refuses state that you are ending the encounter and to have a nice day. If a cop wants to continue the encounter against your will, you are being detained. If there is no probable cause that you have committed a crime it is unlawful detention. If asked if you mind being searched always state that you do not consent to any searches of your person or property. Again unless the have reasonable suspicion it is illegal search and siezure.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/1...actice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html?_r=0& Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2
Black America's Real Problem Isn't White Racism - Pat Buchanan - Page full Now before everyone goes all liberal on me, read the article. It is mostly from NYC stats. I completely disagree with the concept of it.NYPD used these stats as justification for why they program continued. Sadly the stats back them up with homicides set to be the lowest on record this year. To me the whole thing smacks of Minority Report and the pre-crimes division. I guess the world could be crime free if we were all detained, but its a give and take. In my opinion this was all take on the part of Emperor Bloomberg. That little twit has been overstepping his bounds for a decade. I do agree with Germ in that the very people singled out voted for him.
After reading the article, it makes sense. But, that does not excuse the unconstitutionality of Bloomberg's program. Someone needs to knock him off his high horse.
Although I don't like the dui checkpoints, I don't think they are anywhere near the same. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2
You can refuse a DUI checkpoint. Unless they have probable cause, when you say you'd like to leave they must allow it or they are detaining you. Unlawful detention is a very serious crime.
So your Ok with it? I don't really see how they are the same. A DUI check point is pretty random and they stop pretty much anyone at random. Stop and Frisk doesn't seem to be that way, it seems they pick and choose who they want to "randomly" stop.
Then they do an illegal search, without any real probable cause. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2
No, I was just pointing out that it is basically the same thing, but everyone is against this, while the majority of the board was for DUI checkpoints. Really? They are both random stop/searches of citizens without probable cause.
Stop and frisk has long been held constitutional IF the officer suspects a person is about to commit a crime, is in the process of committing a crime, or has just committed a crime. Now, if an officer just thinks someone looks suspicious and forces someone to stop and be frisked it should be considered illegal, publicly challenged and stopped by the NYC mayor, and the citizens should complain until all persons involved with maintaining that ridiculous policy either change the policy or are sued.
I believe it's the exact same thing as a DUI checkpoint. Both randomly stop people. Once contact is made the officer can claim the person acted suspicious and gave them reason to further the questioning/search. I never understood how DUI checkpoints were legal. Go ahead and pull a U-y at a DUI stop and see how fast the cops swarm your car.
