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State of the Union

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by MN/Kyle, Jan 27, 2010.

  1. Sliverflicker

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    Is that all you got?
     
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    i need more??

    I'm not jumpin on you about it, you like the guy great... i think his direction is 180° wrong for this country... and the republicans are about 120° wrong...

    it is unfortunate that we have to choose lesser of two evils in our elections... someday we'll get real change, we sure don't have it now, nor did we for the previous 25yrs
     
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    Sliv....

    You still haven't answered this question.....

    What do you feel is the role of the US Government. Make a list. And, does taking from one person and giving it to another make your list? If so....to what degree (and, with what limit(s)?)?
     
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    Sure they work, I have no doubt they work. Look at why? They work because of the commitment of the parents or an adult pushing the kid. They work because people who care(like you) get involved in the school.

    How well will a charter school do with the same commitment a Detroit public school gets on the parent/community side?

    Some like to point fingers at the what is wrong, like Union for example.

    Are Teachers Unions raising kids without a family support?

    Are Teachers Unions raising kids who do not respect adults?


    Look at two schools a Public School in Detroit or one in Ann Arbor. Guess which city has schools in the top ten? Why is that?

    Take a look at the schools in inner city that blossom, what is the cause? Is it money? It's people taking ownership in that system. Public, Private, or charter it does not matter. If parents or the community takes ownership in their schools they will blossom:)
     
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    Okay, I gotta say something... I know I don't really know a lot about the political world. I choose not to care. It's all a bunch of legalized crime, IMHO.

    But I have news for everyone that honestly believes that our problems are GWB's fault, or the Republicans fault, or the Democrats fault.

    It's not. It's our fault. Our, as in the "WE" that was mentioned earlier. WE voted these people into office. WE then complain about what they do. I'm tired of it, however, I know it won't stop. I have accepted that. I know you can not put multiple people in a room, and expect everyone to fully agree on anything. It just can't happen. That is one of the benefits of being a Free Nation. It's like being married. There is no one on this earth that can honestly say they live with a spouse, and have always agree'd on everything. That's okay. It's life. And just like marriage, WE need to learn how to compromise. It is going to take a lot of time, and a lot of giving from both sides, to finally get our arses out of trouble. Ya dig?

    End rant. and probably won't be coming back into this. As I stated above. I know NOTHING about politics, and do not care to.
     
  6. GMMAT

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    As long as the unions control the $$......we'll never know.

    Private-ise the education system (i.e. take the $$ out of the hands of the politicians and put it in the hands of those who have a REAL interest in educationg out children), and you'll see progress. Give them (private entities) the same money we're giving the public systems, now.......and see.

    It'll never happen.

    Why?
     
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    a lot of truth to that MNKK, we get the govt we deserve
     
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    As a whole, I agree.

    I'm just getting tired of financing and living with "our" practice sessions.

    "I've" been represented in ONE election, since I've been old enough to vote. The other times, I've had to hold my nose while I punched my card.
     
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    I know, without the community and parents backing the school, they will fail.

    Really, so you are going to flood a system with a bunch of kids with parents who pretty much do not care. Because it now has the label "Private" on it, it will work? IMO a private school run system would widen the birth of the have's and have nots. IMO it would make it worse, way worse.

    Schools worked best when they were run by a community, I would like to see less Goverment and more local communties running the schools.

    Giving the $$ to private schools is not the answer, unless you fix the problem of kids being raised without loving family.

    Decline in our education is a product of the decline in the family. Take a look a kids who do well in any system, I bet they all have one thing in common. They eat dinner together as a family:)
     
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    WTF???? I don't have kids, where in god's name did that come from???? Do you make this stuff up along as you go???? Is my Momma next on the hit list since I have no kids????
     
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    BTW Jeff I don't disagree with you that a private system would work better, the best teachers get the best pay.

    All I am saying until we fix the root problem, we're not going to fix anything at all. We have to fix the kids who are dragging the system down. Put those same kids in a private system and they will drag it down also.
     
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    the system allows those kids to drag it down because of things like 'social promotion' and s#!t like that...
     
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    I'd have to agree with you on this Germ.

    My wife is a teacher also. Has been for 7 years now.

    You can see the difference in anyone of her classes over the years of every child.. through their parents.

    Involved parents always have better students.. higher scores... etc etc.

    So.. to all you who are parents.. GET INVOLVED!
     
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    I agree.

    School's not for everyone.
     
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    So what's the answer do what Japan does, take the top ____ % and send them to school?

    With all the ideas I hear, I never hear one to fix the real problem.

    What are we going to do with kids who have no parent/adult guidence? How is a system with a private label on it going to handle this problem? Expell them? Put them back on the street?
     
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    So what are we going to do with these kids? Since the private industry loves to make a profit a lot of the jobs that they could do are gone.

    What is the plan for the bottom 25%-45% of kids?
     
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    educate them thru 18yrs old... if they can't graduate tough luck, get a helmet cuz lifes gonna be rough on you

    don't promote them if they can't do the work...
     
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    Welcome to Detroit:mad: That is exactly what is happing in Detroit over the past 30+ years.

    Now we have 30% Unemployemnt and a whole slew of people who know nothing and can do nothing:confused: The really scary part is they can breed:eek:
     
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    [QUOTEWhat are we going to do with kids who have no parent/adult guidence? How is a system with a private label on it going to handle this problem? Expell them? Put them back on the street? ][/QUOTE]

    Germ....I know a LOT of kids who turned out JUST FINE....that had "not so great" childhoods and NO role models.

    Accountability should be taught at an early age.

    Yeah....we'll provide them with "A" place to learn. They just won't be allowed to disrupt the other 95%, while they're doing it.

    If parents aren't going to step up and discipline their kids....someone needs to be allowed to....and step in and do it for them. Buck the system? Pay a price. THEIR choice.

    Kids, today, have no fear of reprisal. And, educators have no authority (dictated by the jello-spined politicians).
     

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