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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by MN/Kyle, Jan 27, 2010.

  1. TeeJay

    TeeJay Weekend Warrior

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    How come only half the room stood and clapped? lol:D:eek::rolleyes:
     
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    And, for the record, I agree that targeting the Bush administration is getting a bit old.

    The Reign of Error is over and, while it may have been sound strategy for campaigning, it's now time to focus on the present.
     
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    Actually, I do. I think that he enjoys the public speaking arena, and I am willing to be that he will move on to earn millions of dollars speaking about his "rise" to Presidency and how difficult is was given the fact that he is black. He is going to ride that out for as long as possible.
     
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    :rolleyes: I stay out of the political posts on there, but this is ridiculous. To think he became president just to make money afterwards...c'mon. Yeah we all know some presidents do very well after their presidency, but to think that is the sole reason to become president sounds absurd.
     
  5. SevenMag

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    as long as you can tell when we can say its now obama's economy that's fine... GWB didn't do a very good job economically, he spent like a drunken sailor on leave... but he looks downright thrifty compared to our current pResident

    edit to add - for the record, the blame bush mantra is getting REALLY tired... he's not going to be able to blame bush for his failed presidency, he will only have HIS record to stand on in another year when he starts his re-election campaign (or has he started that already, tough to tell as of yet)
     
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    I would agree with that if you agree the Iraq war killed thousands of American Soldiers to keep the cash coming to Republican's oil buddies.

    Nobody wants the healthcare bill until they need healthcare and do not have insurance. I surely do not want Obama's orginal plan at all.

    I now have a HSA at my new Job. I love the HSA, I can roll it over and my company pays into.

    For sure the Federal Goverment should stay out of healthcare, but they need more regulations on insurance companies IMO.
     
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    And the hospitals, doctors, drug companies..... they are all guilty IMO.
     
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    Oh it's his baby now, glad some of us have enough common sense to understand you don't buy a junk car today and expect it to run tomorrow just because you wish it would, and guess what, it's going to cost money to fix it !!!!!

    I live in the real world, with real world problems that need real world solutions, don't have much time for the cry babies that been pissing and moaning even befor this President was sworn in.

    And I would not hardly call the President a failure yet, as a matter of fact according to the most recent survey of 50 Professors on Economics he's doing a good job.

    I can see where the blame Bush mantra would get old, espically to those of you that voted for him twice, it's kind of like rubbing salt on a chaped ass.

    So forgive me If I don't put much faith in You , Jeffro or Professor Spell Checker's, (AKA racewaykings) "assumptions." It's already a proven fact your just not that good at picking a President.
     
  9. Christine

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    More government involvement in heathcare scares me.
    Hospitals that have a lot of medicare and medicaid patients are often making very little money, if any. In 'underserved' areas they can only keep the doors open with extra tax dollars thrown at them. Medicaid and medicare underpayments were more than 36 billion dollars in 2008.

    This means every time a hospital treats a medicaid and medicare patient.... they are losing money.
    This causes the fees for everyone else to go up.

    Adding to this problem are the ridiculous malpractice fees.. 10 cents of every dollar charged for healthcare is just to cover the malpractice insurance. Not to mention the tens of billions of dollars spent on defensive medicine.

    In this atmosphere, insurance companies have to charge a lot and be picky... just to maintain a slim profit margin.

    The current health care bill being pushed will cause the private insurance companies to fail. I'm suspicious that this is being done on purpose. :(
     
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    you make the assumption that kerry and gore would have been better... i'm not convinced of that... especially given gore's 'off the deep end' behavior since 2000... I won't call him a failure yet, but if he doesn't come to the center he certainly WILL be...

    edit- and nothing in his SOTU speech indicates that he will pursue anything but and far left liberal agenda...
     
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    Well please don't take time to explain how we should send your kids to private school again, I cant take it.

    Bi-partisan like when Clinton was in office? They Impeached him :eek: you crack me up.
     
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    What you need to do is school us, instead of jibber jabber tell us what he should and should not have said.
    Did you even watch it?
     
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    Ever hear of the Charter School programs? Know anything about them?

    Does anyone have any issues with this educational system? What are they (issues)?

    The "system" is broken. $$ can't fix it.....but that doesn't stop the NEA from fighting this program with every petty bone in their bodies. I can't fathom why they do it, either.

    Or....maybe I can.....

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pac2pac.php?cycle=2008&cmte=C00003251
     
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    of course, it was the exact same tripe that every other SOTU is... rah rah rah USA, stop partisan bickering, yack yack yack...

    well, his actions will speak louder than his words... when he was voted in I was hoping for a clintonesque centrist president that would work with both sides and bring an agenda that could be tolerated from both sides... obama is an ideologue, without a drift to the center what we saw in MA will be the continuing theme thru 2010 midterms and the 2011 start of the campaign season...
     
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    Thats what I thought.
     
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    That's not surprising, AT ALL.
     
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    The system is not broke at all. The break down of the family has more to do with the issue of education than schools do. Lets do what most nations do and send the top 40% to schools and test them and lets see how we fare.

    My daughter went to Private school and Public school and I cannot tell the difference at all. Jeff is right money is not going to fix this problem, neither are charter schools. It may help a bit, but the issue is plain as day, it's parents and kids growing up with parents more worried about themselvs then their kids.
    When we decided to focus on family and not what car we dirve, will be back on the correct road:)
     
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    LMAO... you just can't stand it that hope and change = meet the new boss same as the old boss..
     
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    Parents need to take more responsibility when it comes to educating their children. Hell, parents spend hundreds of dollars on cell phones, jewelry, nice cares,cigarettes yet do not care to purchase the materials to educate themselves and in turn educate their own children. This brings me to the most important part of the breakdown of our society in general..MEN. We have really blown it. Men acting like women, men not disciplining their children, men not standing up for right or wrong and getting trounced upon because they are mentally and physically fragile.
     
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    We don't have much of a history on these, yet. But I've been involved (both directly and indirectly) in 4 of them.......and they're the best thing we have going, currently (alternative to 'private' and 'public' schools).

    Best of both worlds.....if you asked me.

    STILL....these programs are fought against by the national/state and local school systems (conventional systems).....even though testing shows they're "working".

    WHY? I'll tell you. 1 reason:

    1. Loss of control of the current system/voting block (i.e. loss of the $$ available to the Dem. party). I've seen, first-hand, the status-quo tip their cards (Hell.....they're not too shy about NOT hiding their entire hand!).
     

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