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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Sota, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. dnoodles

    dnoodles Legendary Woodsman

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    I hope you see the irony here- that statement was very Trumpian in itself- hyperbolic and exaggerated to make a point.



    That's the problem with the "economy" of the last 30-40 years- we have been devolving into a retail and customer-service based otherwise untrained labor pool and calling it an "economy." Then Amazon came along and threw it in the wood chipper. Our masters outsourced manufacturing and strangled the production of the one resource we have that can't be outsourced- energy production. (Except for uranium; but I digress...)
    The results of these policies have resulted in massive trade deficits and dependence on countries who only export 3 things- cheap manufactured goods, oil, and terror. It's disgusting, and here we finally have a president who wants to end it and people want to parse every single thing he says...the man is moving us in the right direction, one stripped regulation, one dollar back in my pocket, one federal judge, one blustery braggadocios rant at a time.

    I am sorry for your friends, I really am. I hate to see good people who want to work be cast aside. Cabela's has quality products, a large selection, and usually has decent customer service once you flag someone down. Unfortunately they have relatively high prices to support the energy costs of operating what amounts to an enormous open air warehouse; not to mention all those people I see standing around, shooting the breeze until I need to ask them something. I like Cabela's stores, but the entire model is an outdated way to run a business much less on which to base a large segment of the economy. Tell your friends to walk across the street and put in an application at that Warren Dodge Ram plant since The Donald brought production of the 2500 (along with 2500 jobs) back to The Michigan.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/fiat-chrysler-tax-reform-bonus-jobs/index.html

    Americans making a good wage producing quality goods is the only way we get out of this. The Donald gets it.
     
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  2. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    2000+ times since Jan, It's easier to list his true statements than his lies. He lied again just last week, lol He lies about the dumbest stuff, it shows his fragile ego.

    "Thank you for all of the nice compliments and reviews on the State of the Union speech. 45.6 million people watched, the highest number in history. "
    46.8 million viewers who tuned into President Bill Clinton’s first State of the Union speech
    51.7 million who watched President George W. Bush’s 2002



    For Cabelas it's not just retail jobs, it's the folks at HQ also, but I agree with you 100% on Amazon, more than you know. Being we are there number 1 competitor here in the USA and we are the Amazon of Europe.
     
  3. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

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    Funny story told to me by the shop forman at work after an interview. A young man who showed promise who went to a trade school was offered a position with a starting salary and the highest level of contribution allowed from the employer towards health and dental. With overtime available it was $15 per hour. The young man said he was not starting at minimum wage and declined the position. Made me wish I had sat in on that interview.
     
  4. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    What's the highest contribution for medical and dental?
     
  5. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

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    We used to offer medical, dental, eye insurance as well as a life insurance policy to employees, their coverage started the first day of the calendar month after they were hired at no cost to the employee. When Obama care came in the Gov't told us that cadillac coverage is not allowed so we were forced to only pay a portion and the employees had to pay a portion.
     
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    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    That explains it and what i thought. We have free version here, but it sucks.
     
  7. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

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    Our free coverage was better by far than what the paid for version is now.
     
  8. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    Trump will get this fixed, this year.

    “We’re going to have insurance for everybody, “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

    “I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
     
  9. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

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    Well if it is all for one and one for all then it should be perfectly acceptable to have an intervention with people who are screwing it up for the rest of us. There should be a sign up fast food places like at amusement parks. If you ass is wider than this you can not order the feeding frenzy for two. Obesity and diet choices are the number one PREVENTABLE ailment in the US.
     
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  10. CoveyMaster

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    Attacking it through insurance is a brain dead approach to start with. In a free market you can only reasonably impact it through supply and demand. In the case of medical care also enforce some price gouging rules/laws. Prices in medical care are friggin ridiculous and no more of this treat now bill you whenever I feel like it later BS. The medical profession has not one but a dozen licenses to literally rape/pillage and steal. The more comprehensive you make insurance, no matter how it's paid or subsidized...the steeper the curve in care costs will get because the money is creating a supply that's feeding a demand of greed.

    Rather, government can subsidize medical education, create more doctors and nurses more cheaply so you impact supply of well educated medical suppliers. Competition for patients will create a lower priced environment. Price controls structured from a basis of medical equipment and facility cost vs life of those two things vs number of patients that can expect to be treated over that life expectancy. Overlap those with a limit of charges vs a persons income and limit it to an annual percentage. Then make insurance more of a supplement than a life line. Then overlap all of that with an overhaul of the system so that a patient knows what the cost is going to be before treatment and immediately after treatment. This cuts out the BS of giving 10 different people/departments time enough to rack up redundant/fraudulent pay or else charges.
     
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    Wiscohunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    It's been down for years. Black unemployment has been trending down for months before Trump was elected. The stock market saw 8 straight years of growth before Trump was elected. But he sure likes to take credit for those things.
     
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    Way to reasonable, I am going with your boy's idea.

    "“I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
     
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    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    I stated no trend either direction before or post. Merely what it is. If it is pro-an argument folks like to throw out trends...if not just current...both sides do it and quite frankly it disgusts me.

    Truth is that it is low, very low. In some demographics it is the lowest it has ever been if I am interpreting facts correctly, but finding just unbias stats any longer is tough in this day and age.
     
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    Because over 35% growth compared to 15% for same time is very similar I guess??
     
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    Is that 35% before or after today, lol

    For first year

    Trump 30.1%
    Obama 29.1% after 8 years 147%
    Bush -7.2% after 8 years -27%
    Clinton 15% after 8 years 229%

    Will see where we end up.

    EDIT Numbers are threw today
     
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    Germ I find my self asking the same question, it pertains to my diet, life style, the economy and life in general. Is this path sustainable? You have to do an honest analysis in every facet, I always ask where is the money going to come from to pay for this, and is the level sustainable? No politics involved just ask the simple question is it sustainable? that and opportunity costs.
     
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    How much of that time span was under a R controlled congress vs D controlled and exactly how do those correspond to the numbers you posted?
     
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    Well the first 2 years Obama has D control, the rest was R correct?
    Trump First year R control
    First year of Clinton D control until 1994 then the last good congress IMO controlled until 2000
    First year Bush the house was R and the senate was D? I know Senate flipped flopped few times by 2006 D had both correct?

    As for correlation, I have nothing, I was just posting what has happen.

    What Sota posted is my point, we get caught up in numbers, but now what is driving those numbers. Currently what is driving the stock market to be up +30%?

    What are the economic factors.

    1. Consumer Confidence is high
    2. Favorable Tax law for corporations
    3. Favorable Tax law for most Americans 82% decrease(is this correct?)
    4. Trump is working to level out the trade gap(good thing)
    5. Business Friendly Administration
    6. Less red tape and regulations
    7. $102 billion is what the debt went down last year
    8. Stronger Dollar
    9. Less spending I hope for all branches

    Factors could make it go south

    1. Banking bubble with car loans
    2. We really never fixed housing issue
    3. Healthcare cost
    4. Budget, Trump next wants to tackle infrastructure, where does the money come from?
    5. Military rebuild, again where does the money come from?
    6. We go to war with North Korea
    7. Oil prices skyrocket
    8. Stock Market goes south, because folks finally figured out it's way over valued right now.
    9. Education, we simple do not have enough engineers, Computer Science and IT people to keep pace
    10. We have fallen out of the top 10 for innovation by nations
    11. Immigration - we need to get the other nations smart folks, if we don't we're screwed
     
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    What ten nations are ahead of us, and more importantly, are we sure they aren't American companies doing the innovation overseas to save on labor costs? Not denying, just seeking more information.
     

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