Give me some M-80 rambo type Broadheads on the side, and we have a deal...just work those kinks out first. I am more interested in the sweave reinforced version. lol Dang, forgot...will they be suitable for penetration on a turkey as well? Want a dual purpose arrow here..
O, already one step ahead of you, I will be glueing fish hooks (backwards) onto my patent pending S-Weaves just for turkey hunting. These things are gonna be wicked
I haven't yet backpedaled...but this is getting comical so I'll play along. Keep constantly making up things said by people out to get you, and I may have to replace your cardboard burger king crown with an aluminum foil one. Once again, your paranoia about people being against you speed guys has you misreading things..I inferred a bow within IBO specs that hits 400 would be unshootable. I just checked the entire thread...no one even came close to commenting on a subIBO bow being unshootable. LOL Your bow isn't producing those speeds, it is your arrow weight. MANY bows today will hit those speeds with lower arrow weights. I was implying a bow topping those speeds by IBO standards WOULD be unshootable. I said industry standard becuase every bow manufacturer I can think of lists their Bows according to IBO specs and speeds, would that not constitute a standard? That's like me getting pissed off and calling bs on engine manuafacturers using horsepower to compare engines...what blasphemy to use a standard when comparing from bow company to bow company. I never have worried about my bow, ethics, legality, hair color, antler size, etc while on stand or at full draw...I will one up you on bringing in completely random and pointless stuff by saying I have never worried about how my shoe laces are tied while at full draw? It doesn't matter. I just find it awesome that anytime speed is brought up...Quick chimes in with I killed _ bucks in _ years, I am the MAN. I have mad respect for what you get done year in and year out on public land, but until you quit constantly and excessively boasting about it...I don't care. I thought Droptine was the producer of My New Haircut, but I am beginning to have doubts here...
Hmm....reminds me of AT a little bit:D I have nothing against HC bows. In fact, many people seem to be quite pleased with them. Do you need 400fps to kill a deer? No. Will manufacturers hit these speeds (other than HC)? Probably. Right now, I'm quite satisfied with my 101st, and don't frankly care what speeds I'm getting out of it. Right now, Bowhunters are caught back in the speed craze. For a while, it was all about who could produce the quietest, smoothest, and shock free bow. Now you have bows coming out with monstrous-sized cams, sub 6" BH, and god knows what else, just to eek out a few more fps. I, like Rob, would rather see manufacturers concentrate on producing efficient, quiet, and sure, why not some speed (as long as it's not sacrificing shootability).
I can see in a few yrs that someone will come up with a new cam design that will hit those speeds. Look how far bows have come in the last 3 yrs, with their designs, speed and quietness. I think it will take some time, but it will be done.
Trevor - When I get out of the car, I scoop up a fresh handful of sod, rub it between my hands, and give it a solid Powder Clap, because I am the man. Deer across America quake with fear. They reflect on their lives and realize that their demise may be imminent. Fear engulfs their souls. The fact is, I am the Undisputed King for a reason. 99.999 percent of American hunters (including you) couldn't carry my backpack on their BEST day. That's not an indictment against anyone else. That's just a statement of fact. I am the game.
Duke- I remember a conversation I had with you and Peakrut about hunting recently. This thread is making me believe every word of it, hats off to you Dark Horse
That is a very simple question, the ability to hunt without being able to judge yardage. I mean, if guys are shooting 1 pin out to 40 yards, imagine how far out you could shoot a single pin at 400fps.
At the same time, you are adding more wear and tear to your bow and accessories, increasing noise/shock, and dramatically lowering your momentum/KE.
But would he if he did not have to compensate? If his arrow hit within 1/2" of where he was aiming out to 40 yards? I am sure more hunters would increase their comfort zone. I feel the same way as you do, I prefer to shoot a heavier arrow at a somewhat slower speed. My hunting arrow is 427 grains and I am getting right at 300fps with it, but I also do most of my shooting throughout the year at 280fps (ASA Max), so I am like a kid in the candy store when I get to bump my speed up to 300fps.
Buck Magnet - I wouldn't use the word "dramatically." The decrease in KE is actually quite small, once you compensate the KE equation with the speed gain. Jeff - at 370 fps, you can fudge your pin zero to right around 28 yards, and be 2-3" hot at 10, and 5-7" low at 40. Legit one-pin hunting. I aced my first '07 buck at 39 yards by holding right at the top of the ribs. In practice, I was using the top and bottom edges of my single-pin. Pin-high. Pin-low. But you're right, there is some fudging that must go on, even at ludicrous speed. Gravity affects all flying objects, no matter how fast they're moving.
First Jeff I do not need to educate myself on anything, as I know for FACT I have spent more time behind a bow that you could have in your what 4-5 years. Again, you love to read between the lines. I was asking a question just as you did. I never threw a speed out there so how is it impossible Jeff? We are talking about bow companies attempting to bring hunters speeds we never would have imagined 10 years ago, or 25 years ago when I started shooting a bow. It is impossible Jeff? I can remember when it was said that 300fps out of a hunting set was impossible. Then right about 1986-1988, with the help of over draws and thinned down strings, I seen my first 300fps arrow (how fast were you shooting in 1988?). Now today 300fps is not a drop in the bucket. We were talking about what is the point of extreme speeds to a hunter. My point was that it would be hard for any hunter to turn away from a bow shooting fast enought to shoot 0-40 yards true with one pin. I know for a fact that HCA has hunting setups shooting over 400fps, so how impossible is it going to be in the future for them to hit the mid 400's, 500's? I love how a guy that has been around the sport for such a small amount of time can know what is impossible for the furture of our equipment. After all, you were the one hunting with the Bear Whitetail hunter and Easton 2117 Gamegetters, shooting right at 175fps 25 years ago. My bad, it was me. You have not been around long enough to know (and I mean to experience) how far the equipment has come already and to say that something is impossible, well that is just uneducated!
Ah, look what a simple plug to an interesting article has created. Quicksilver got his panties in a wad and pulled the buck killing trump card. Then the need for speed is heavily debated. Now Jeff's experience is being challenged yet again. Oh yea, and 40 yard single pin setups and whether they are a possibility. Tonight seems to be a testy night. Before we get to ahead of ourselves, it wouldn't hurt to actually read the article ( not sure anyone did)...it does all the number crunching on what it would take with a constant 70# pull and different BHs and such, with different efficiency ratings. Theoretically speaking since no bows exist with such impressive stats. With this new super bow they are hypothesizing, it could possibly spit an ibo arrow right at 400fps, or one of Quicks 220 grn arrows at close to 500 fps, but I would NOT want to be near that bow or arrow when it does. Pretty crazy to think that is even theoretically possible. BUT imo, the efficiency ratings from energy input to energy output (on arrow) are unachievable, making this an imaginary never going to exist bow..we shall see I guess. I agree with most that excessive speed is pretty over rated, but doesn't mean it won't work. Different ways to skin a cat as Quick said. I just found the technology side of that article and how it broke down the science behind bow numbers pretty cool. Not that I plan to ever shoot such a bow, but it was cool to read about I guess.
Tembry....all I can think of this quote from a movie known as Home Alone. "Look What You Did, You Little Jerk...." :LOL: Have a good evenin' fellas.
I have to say I am guilty of not reading the aticle:d However, I will be the last one to say that anything is impossible. I made that mistake once already. I told my buddy back in the late 80's that there would never a be a hunting bow capable of shooting 300fps. Well I ate my crow once, did not like the taste of it, so I will leave the word impossible out of just about any discussion I get into. You have to admit is nice to have so many different kind of setups to choose from today. So much different than when I started and everyone shot pretty much the same thing, because there was no choice. Now it is almost mid-night and I think I need one last beer before going to bed. So here is you, speed freaks and KE freaks alike
