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  1. Iowa Veteran

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    No - Source.
     
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    God is forcing you to choose eternal life in heaven or hell. Extremists are forcing to you choose convert or die. It's just god "kills" you after death.

    Enjoyable in my search? Of course not! Not trying to be angry or rude but one states that if I don't follow that path I will be damned to hell while the other provides not even a response. I'd sure like to know that there is something out there and something of life after death. Feels too weird to place the doing of earth on God, even more weird to say it. Heck believing in him I'm sure would open up a larger dating pool, I know one hottie! But I can't fool myself or force myself to believe something my gut tells me does not exist. like you stated, I'm sure for me to believe I'd have to walk blind folded over the balance beam.
     
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    I'll just lay this one out there. Evolution - fact.


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    You are entitled to your opinion of what constitutes fact. However, for something to be considered scientific fact, it has to be proven in a laboratory and then recreated to validate the data collected in the first event. All data has to be considered empirical data by scientific definition, not by certain sources who have modified the definition to include a claim of data existing is all that is necessary.

    So, unless you can provide the empirical data proving your claim that was produced in a scientific setting and then reproduced to prove the first results as scientifically sound, evolution is nothing more than theory.

    But since your post is off topic, unless you have valid questions concerning the topic of this thread.........
     
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    Off topic... No.

    Religion.... Or evolution? That's the question I have.

    You can't sit here and tell me evolution is not a scientific fact. We all know that it is.
     
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    Chopayne - Some sects of Buddhists believe that if you don't live right in this life, you are reincarnated into another life form when you die. This can be repeated unlimited times until you reach a stage of perfect spiritualism (nirvana) at which time you remain in that state. Do you spend a lot of time contemplating whether or not you will be reincarnated as an ant in an aardvark farm? There are many religions throughout the world that believe different things. The 무교 religion of Korea believes that the spirits of the family members live as long as family members continue to honor them on special dates. Whether you decide to be a Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, Christian, atheist, whatever is completely up to you. The vast majority have guidelines to follow and penalties if you fall away from the beliefs.
     
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    This thinking seems heavily flawed. You have a choice, indeed, but there are always consequences for your choices.

    If you break criminal or civic laws, are caught, charged, found guilty you are sentenced for violating the law. You can choose to follow the law of not...That is free will. The repercusions, the sentence is the result of your choices... Just as your parents probably taught you right from wrong, and likely encouraged you to obey, one you're a young adult the choices are yours, aren't forcing you.

    God doesn't kill you after death. You die, the choices you made have eternal consequences.

    As for the Extremists, are you referring to Islam?
     
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    Based on?
     
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    How do you know there are penalties if you "fall away from the beliefs"?


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    Scientific facts?


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    The thing is I can live a life as good as a christian, yet I'm punished for not believing in a god. Your analogy to civil laws is not relevant because that is doing something bad in society. The difference also lies in that being Christian means that you're rewarded, unlike civil laws that simply let you live your life.

    As for extremists, every religion has them including Christians so no I was not specifying islam I was including Christians Jews and everyone else. Even Buddhists! They're pretty violent over In Myanmar

    I'm confused. Do I die and know nothing if I don't believe in god? Or do I go to hell?
     
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    The analogy to the law was intentional, as it is the model of the old testament. You had to follow the mosaic laws...All of them. Their faith isn't based on nice or good... That's too subjective.

    The new testament, basically builds on old testament context and to a great degree contain the balance of principles Christianity is based upon. In essence we can even get the free choice part right, let alone follow 613 mosaic laws. Jesus was the payment on our behalf, with a catch, so to speak...
     
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    You did not ask a question, you made a statement. Now after being called out you have modified your statement into a question to try and continue.

    Evolution is a THEORY according to collegiate professors. Without empirical evidence, which science admits most likely will never be found, it will reman a theory. Many accept the theory of environmental adaptation which states that animals adapt the environment they are placed in. (Just for you, I sat down and typed this :lol:)

    Finally, a large percentage of scientists believe in God. Rice University conducted a survey that found "18 percent of scientists attended weekly religious services, compared with 20 percent of the general U.S. population; 15 percent consider themselves very religious (versus 19 percent of the general U.S. population); 13.5 percent read religious texts weekly (compared with 17 percent of the U.S. population); and 19 percent pray several times a day (versus 26 percent of the U.S. population)." - See more at: Misconceptions of science and religion found in new study
     
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    Yes! I could totally believe in Christianity if they followed the ot. Provided that would kind of make me a jew. The nt is too subjective hence a factor I don't believe in the religion. Also from what my religious professor told me, the intent of the nt was to recruit more people by relaxing the laws since it was too stringent and alienating people.

    Keep in mind I went to a Roman Catholic private college and this was in a Christian class (forced btw =) nonetheless glad I took it.
     
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    While Evolution is indeed a THEORY, religious teachings are too. However evolution, unlike religions faith based beliefs are based on cumulative factual evidence that when compiled, illustrate a highly probable theory. This "theory" being based on so many facts and extensive scientific investigation is thus more plausible that an existence in God in my opinion. Failing to recognize this is questionable.

    Whether one believes in evolution (or not), what tends to happen through religion is the provision of a beginning to the process in response to unanswered questions as to its origin. This is but one of many issues that trouble me. It is too easy and convenient to simply say "god started it", or rationalize an action because "God's word says so", "God told me too" etc. etc. I object to the half hazard insertion of religion into current scientific vacuums of knowledge for potential answers.

    Another troubling issue surrounding the debate over religion or evolution is the exclusion of the teaching of one OR the other. It is critical that people are provided unbiased data for as many theories as possible to ALLOW them to come to THEIR own conclusions and beliefs. Christianity (religion in general) works by indoctrinating children and youth at young impressionable ages. Confirmation and especially Baptism usually take place as soon as possible to "ensure the hand of god has blessed the child". Additionally, in many polarized regions, education excludes teaching of the "other" ideas... this censorship leads me to believe that fear dictates this action... fear of the unknown, fear of potentially learning something different, fear of change, fear of being wrong , fear of losing faith, fear of losing a "soldier of god".
    If religious believers are so confident in their religion then why not inform about other options to simply illustrate how unfounded in facts they are... Of course this would not happen because it is easier to simply omit learning facts, spin doctor fables and create senses of mistrust, and disbelief. Heathenism, blasphemy etc. work by these rules and this alone should make a system employing these tactics questionable.
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    Read the teachings of the different religions of the world.
     
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    Okay, you're right. I'll just "sit down" for you.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Evolution IS NOT a theory. Provide research that states this, in depth, please.


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    Have you seen the penalties from falling away from the teachings?


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    NONE of those are large percentages if they are indeed factual statistics. Those number are but figments of the larger population.

    Interesting from the "Data" 50% of evangelicals believe that science and religion can work together... of course they would say that! By answering any other way, they lose followers because science is founded on facts tested through analysis etc. Science has, is and will, answer questions that previously only religion was able to answer... incorrectly all be it.
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    I probably live a more "Christian" life than most believers of God!
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