So what do you think will be the downfall of this country? And how far away are we?

I love evolution.

 

You are so clueless ....you're a perfect example that doesn't weigh things against another.....and one "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" .....wow

 

My husband mentioned to me that you were looking for a reply here, maybe not just from me, but from others. Anyway, I thought I would reply.

First of all, would you please explain what you mean by irony? I don't get it.

Also, someone from another planet reading this thread could get the impression that only Christian Americans get married. But that would be wrong. Basically, marriage has nothing to do with religion. Everyone here knows that before you get married, you go to the county clerk and get a license. You have to meet certain criteria, most commonly, minimum age. You can then arrange to have a priest of minister officiate at your wedding, but he/she will demand to have your license which was issued by the county clerk first. Once the marriage ceremony has been completed the official will sign it and return it to the county clerk for filing. If, sadly, the marriage relationship does not work out, do you go back to the priest/minister for a divorce? No, you have to see a judge.

It so happens in this country that clergy are authorized to officiate at marriages. Not so in most other countries. In Italy, you can have religious wedding, but it's not legal. In order to be legally married you must have a civil ceremony. It's the same in Korea. In Japan, you go to a government clerk and register in order to be considered married. You can have a religious ceremony if you wish, Buddhist, Christian, Shinto, etc., but it's not necessary. My husband and I were married before a judge. A year and a half later, we had a nuptial mass. But it's the first one that counts legally. So let's leave religion out of the discussions of marriage.

So I have to ask, what does marriage of Atheists or Muslims have to do with gay marriage?

So what about gay sex? Yes, the Bible says it's wrong. But the Bible says a lot of things are wrong, things we do every day. Has anyone here NOT eaten bacon or ham or seafood without fins and scales? Like shrimp, lobster? Does that mean I approve of gay sex? No, I consider it biologically wrong. The worst thing about it is that, due to male promiscuity, it's a great way to spread disease.

So what does this have to do with gay marriage? Wait, I'm getting to that.

You see, about a hundred thousand years ago or so, we, as a species had developed pretty much into what we are now. And we had also begun to develop customs as a society which would lead to the advanced society we have now. Part of that development was the realization that the formation of a bond between a male and female created a system where the male would provide food and protection for the female and her children. In return, the female would provide "companionship" for the male. In order to encourage the male to provide and protect the children, she would make sure that they were "his" children. Now this system has been going on, with refinements for thousands and thousands of years. But lately we humans have lost respect for this particular institution. In fact the divorce rate is right around 50%. So does gay marriage demean conventional marriage? It doesn't matter. It's already been sufficiently demeaned by those who are supposed to hold it in high regard.

So should gays be allowed to have marriages? I don't think we have a choice. I think it's going to happen anyway. But will a gay marriage have the same meaning as that pair bond we trace back to those primitive days? No, I don't think so. They can pretend it has the same meaning. They'll get whatever tax benefits might attach, but the meaning just isn't there.

What is really important is that those of us forming a real family bond, something that has become a part of what makes us a human society, keep our vows in mind.

I'm a little tired so I hope I'm making sense.


May The Sheep Be With You

 

Pass the popcorn brother...

 

I honestly don't even know how to formulate a response to that train of thought.

My irony statement was a bit too snarky so I'll just leave it be and not expound on it. My apologies.

 

This is the United States of America. It is not a church and its members should not be scrutinized as such.

Daddyslittlegirl...I really can't believe you think the country went to hell when women gained the right to vote. If you really believe that I don't know what to say.

 

I think that women are more likely to be misled by their emotions than most men. Of course that's not true of all women. But to be safe, we should exclude women from voting. But since there are so many exceptions, I do believe women should be allowed to hold public office if they have demonstrated the ability.

As far as women being more likely to be led by their emotions, I expect I would get close to 100% agreement on this forum. Right guys?

There was a time when women were expected to be obedient to their husbands. I think our society worked better then. Of course we had wars then, but we have wars now. There was crime then, but there is crime now. But we have in one segment of our society, a 70-80% illegitimacy rate. And it's occurring with increasing frequency in other segments as well. Does someone want to explain to me how this is a good thing for our society?

So what do we do about it? I don't know. But I don't think further demeaning the traditional role of husband and wife, father and mother is going to help. This behavior evolved as part of our heritage over many thousands of years. It's what made us human.

You may be wondering if I vote. Yes, I do. I vote the way my husband tells me to vote. He votes absentee ballot. We make a copy and I take it with me to the polls. I took a vow of obedience to my husband. That's what my mother taught me. It's working tremendously well.



Don't tell anyone, but they share the household chores

 

I do love your posts, dlg.

Most of them make me extremely uncomfortable, but I do love them.

 

I can't even imagine where this thread would be during the off-season.

 

Haha so perfectly stated.

 

Closed.

 

Do you also believe that Muslim men led by Muslim traditions and teachings should be allowed to tell women to cover their faces at all times when in public? Heck, women should be subservient to their male masters, right?

 

You may have the wrong impression. My husband does not abuse me. He shows me respect and I show him respect. We agreed, before we married, at my insistence, that I would be allowed to be a traditional Japanese wife and that he would be the head of the family. That doesn't make me a slave or even a servant. After I gave birth to each one of our daughters, he would get up, change her diaper and bring her to me to nurse. He would stay up with me until she was finished and back to sleep. He did that the whole time until they were sleeping through the night.

When it was time to buy me a car to get to school, I thought he would just buy one. No, he asked me what I would like. I told him I really liked my mother's Cavalier. When we went out to buy, all we looked at were Cavaliers.

When a family decision needs to be made, we sit and discuss it. Then he makes the decision. Sometimes he just asks me what I think and then agrees with me. We never argue. I was raised that marriage is not an equal partnership because two people may not always agree. Someone has to be the head of the family and make the final decisions.

We do it this way because we love each other and it makes it so much easier to be happy together.

 

I am so thankful my daughter goes to this school, take this any way you want, but I don't want her to be anything like you dlg

[video=vimeo;49455570]http://vimeo.com/49455570[/video]

 

Only if hitler won the war....

 

This times a million.

 

Alright....Nocking an Arrow!

 

A logical explanation you somehow overlooked is the one common denominator of the atheist, muslim christian couples is not a form of religion or belief system. The common denominator is two people with different anatomy. The solution is to remove the financial gains of civil marriage. The historic definition of marriage has always been the bond of a man and woman(both born that way) to redefine it is absurd. It would be the same as calling a cat a dog. You can go ahead and do it, but it certainly will not make it true. If two people born with the same genetalia want to be in a relationship knock yourself out, but do not call it something that it is not.

 

And to answer the question, the breakdown of the traditional family is the downfall of this country.

 

Since becoming legal abortion and now Gay rights have dominated the political addenda of the our country, two things that have little to no effect on the well being or direction of our country and yet both of which directly effect a very small number of us. All as of economic standards that make up the middle class are ignored or worse used as leverage to futher our dependency on those whom thrive on this power.