I want to keep the bow around 1000.00 give or take a few hundred. I want to keep my Liberty 80 for elk hunting, bear etc. My set up is hvy, front loaded with plenty of KE but it takes 4 pins out to 40 yards. My question is, can I buy a bow on the market today that will meet Idahos min requirement of a 400 grain arrow weight that can spit and arrow out to 40 yards with just ONE pin! If this is possible, I'd appreciate to hear it from the bow gurus on this site. I would like to consider building a whitetail only hunting bow. I will save my old girl for the bigger critters. I dont mind pulling up to 80 pounds but now that I am getting a little older I'd like to stay around 70 lbs for this whitetail only bow... Are any of the new bows at 70lbs capable of this at 400 grains of arrow weight? 1 PIN... out to 40 Yards???
One pin yes, if you compensate. One pin with flat trajectory, no. I forget exact numbers, but even at 350 fps I'm fairly certain your 20-40 yard drop window is well over 5 inches, and that isn't accounting for even closer shots. My hard drive crashed on my old computer or I'd check on my OTS program the exact numbers for you. Now that said, with common sense and the fastest bow out there...you can easily pull off 1 pin. You just can't expect one pin to hit by holding dead on from 0-40. It simply won't happen.
bear carnage 70# bow $685 one pin adustable sight $65 soft loc quiver $45 apache dropaway rest $48 apache stabilizer $40 +/- for shipping and looking for deals.. $883 for a sick set up that will shoot 40 yards no problem
Going off memory here... I no longer have the ontarget2 software. Lets say your bow is shooting 320fps. With one pin zeroed in at 30 yards, you would be 3 1/2 inches high at 10 yards, 4 inches high at 20 yards, zeroed in at 30 yards, 3 1/2 inches low at 35 yards and 7 inches low at 40 yards. So yes, shooting one pin out to 40 yards is a possibility, it would just take a little of holding over or under on your part.
Troy - when I hunted with the superlight setup out of my High Country, I was shooting at a blazing 369 fps, and even with that setup, a 40 yard shot required some compensation from my one-pin system. I don't remember the specifics, but I want to say that I was hunting with a sub-250 grain arrow. Sickening speed, incredibly accurate and lethal, but the arrows were a little brittle, and more expensive than I'm willing to pay. Having played the speed game, I can say that I don't think it's possible to construct a whitetail system that's truly "one pin to forty," especially where there's a weight minimum in play. Can you build a fast bow and just fudge it a couple inches high/low? Absolutely. Was I comfortable fudging it? Absolutely. If you want to go that route, get the fastest bow that you can afford (with an acceptable draw curve, or course), and trim that arrow down to as close to 400 grains as you can get it. Like Scott said, if you can get in the woods in the 320 fps range, you can easily set your zero at 30 and hold high/low based on your target's range. As far as bows go, I bring nothing to the conversation here. I don't even know which bow companies are still in business, and I couldn't name a single bow model from the past 2-3 years.
Thanks guys, sounds like there is nothing out there that can even remotely shoot flat out to 40 yards with one pin at a 400 grain state required min. 30 yards?
Again, this is off memory for an arrow traveling 320 fps. Zeroed in at 25 yards... 2.5 inches high at 10 yards, 2 inches high at 20 yards, zeroed at 25 yards, 2.5 inches low at 30 yards, 6 inches low at 35 yards.
The 400 grain arrow and 70 lb bow your going to have to holdover, sorry technology is not there yet. I like a one pin bow though and not having to fiddle with a range finder.
What is your DL???? We need to start there first. In all honesty, I think you can REASONABLY get to 40yds with 3 pins that leaves pretty fair "forgiveness" yardages built in. Here's how..... Scott (Buckeye) and myself and only a couple other people I know set a bow's sight up based on the speed of the bow. His purposes I believe were more for competition shooting, while mine were for what I thought would provide me "forgiveness" in estimation errors. I've set up most of my bows at 24, 32, 40yds. At these specific settings, I know that at 28yds, I can safely put the 32yd pin right on the heart, and only be a LITTLE high, which is still double lung. Likewise, on a 36yd shot, I can put my 40yd pin right on the heart, and still only be a little high, which is again DOUBLE LUNGS, and LOW double lungs at that, which equals to me good SHORT blood trails. Even if I hold for my 32yd pin, I'm still only 5" high, which would be okay for elk, but potentially not okay for deer. Use the trajectory backwards was sort of my thought. I know that I'm gonna be a little high, but HOW HIGH??? becomes the question. If I shoot at a target at 37yds and use my 32yd pin dead one, I'm gonna be low, but if I use the heart as my aimpoint, and use a pin up, then I'm almost golden to be either heart of double lungs if my shot sequence is good and my shot is true. And these numbers are based on my bow only shooting around 280fps with a 440 grain arrow, BOTH in practice, AND using OnTarget2's ballistics/trajectory diagram. Changing the speed 20fps, really only changes the trajectories about 1" on distances out to about 40yds when you're already set-up with 3 pins the same as I did above. So what's really the difference in 1" at 40yds??? Easily not worth the extra 7-10# of draw-weight it may take to achieve that. Sorry a little drawn out, but it's a bit difficult to explain in 2 sentences......
28.5 inch draw.. thanks Scott, I could live with this set up.. OH.. my sole intention is to eliminate pins.. ONE pin shots out to 30 yards isn't too bad with a 400grain set up.
400gr. arrow shooting 320fps......is pretty stout (w/ a 28.5" DL). And you still can't shoot flat to 30yds.
One pin to 30yds, :D Sorry, I had your bow back in October and sold it........ Look for something in the 330-350 fps range, and you can get one pin to 30yds with a reasonable likelihood of hitting close enough for a kill at everything from 5-35 yds holding dead on for the top of the heart, with a variation that would go no more than 2-3" above or under that precise hold spot, once it achieved "line of sight." With something like the Katera I referred to in the first sentence, at 28.5" and about 74#, you could get somewhere in the 305ps range with a 400gr arrow, depending on the string add-ons, and you could achieve 1 pin to 30yds, and it would only drop about 3" on it's way to 35yds.... Gonna need some holdover to get to 40, but it would be manageable. The other thing you may check is the regulations, because I think they lowered your MINIMUM arrow weight to 300gr's if my memory serves me correctly........
Troy getting 320 out of 28.5" with a 400gr. arrow will be tough. I'm shooting 68lbs at 29" out of my Alley with a 407gr. arrow and getting 296fps. I'm thinking you'd need to have an IBO of 340-350 to get close. The IBO on my alley is 325, I believe.
with the omen or monster 5 or 6 you can get around 35yds flat one pin =[] I know of nothing that can get to 40 witha 400gr arrow...and this is with a d loop 74lbs and g5meta peep (8gr)...i shoot with the hha optimizer which im going to reset today which makes yardage a breeze
Thats really good...i get 301 with a 438gr arrow at 28in with a 74lb bow with 6in brace =[....almost as fast and i can only guess the amount of forgivness your bow has over mine
